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I only have default scenery in Europe and wan't advice to which addons to choose to enhance Europe in the best way? Notice that my system is not high end so performence is important. Also I can't spend much money so buying everything is no option. I intend to fly airliners in Europe. For low VFR I have ORBX in USA and Australia. So how do I best spend money? GEX Europe or UT Europe? Any good airports freeware or payware?

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The best way to enhance Europe, would be to make me the Emperor of it of course, but if you mean in FSX, then Ultimate Terrain Europe is a good choice to improve matters visually for airliner operations, although be aware that the night lighting enhancements, whilst very nice, can be a bit of an FPS hog, but you can turn that off of course, and then it barely impacts FPS at all.

 

To some extent it will depend on what you want to fly and from where, although if you are concerned about performance, but want a decent payware airport that will be suitable for you to fly from to a lot of destinations throughout Europe, then you would be hard pressed to find anywhere better than UK2000's Liverpool John Lennon Airport Extreme for FSX (EGGP), because EGGP is a small airport, so even in its detailed payware form, it gets good FPS. See the video link below for proof of that, where I was recording a commentary, recording FRAPs and running a payware chopper with the detail turned up at EGGP and still getting good FPS.

 

The reason EGGP a good choice destination-wise, is because Ryanair and EasyJet, FlyBe, WizzAir and OLT all operate from EGGP and fly to the following European destinations: Alicante, Amsterdam, Barcelona, Belfast, Berlin, Bratislava, Brussels, Cork, Dublin, Faro, Fuertenventura, Geneva, Gran Canaria, Jersey, Kos, Krakov, Lanzarote, Madrid, Malaga, Malta, Naples, Nice, Oslo, Palma, Paris Bodrum, Bordeaux, Gibraltar, Ibiza, Innsbruck, Lisbon, Minorca Rhodes, Riga, Salzburg, Shannon, Tenerife, Warsaw. There are probably some other destinations too which I've missed out, but as you can see, EGGP is somewhere that whilst being small and good on FPS even in payware form, offers a lot of choice for simulating airliner flights in Europe.

 

And the reason EGGP is good for flight simmers, is because all of the main aircraft types flown from there are available in FSX in a number of variations. Ryanair fly 737 NGs from there, which means the FPS-friendly iFly NG for FSX, and the super-realistic PMDG NG for FSX would both suit it. The Wilco PIC A320, or the Aerosoft A320, or of course the forthcoming (and most likely excellent FSL A320) will also serve you well for simulating EasyJet, OLT and WizzAir's operations. OLT also use the ATR-72, which is available in sim form from Flight 1. FlyBe use the Dash-8 Q400, which PMDG are eventually planning to model but in the meantime Majestic have their Q300 available. EGGP also has many GA and business aircraft movements too, so you can fly pretty much anything you like from there so long as it can get up and down onto 7,500 feet of tarmac, which is ILS capable. If you need a bigger runway, I can also recommend UK2000's EGCC (Manchester International), since that also gets good FPS for a large airport, and it offers twin 10,000 foot ILS-equipped runways.

 

There is actually a review of UK2000's EGGP coming up for Avsim, but in the meantime, here's the video preview which I did to accompany the site review (listen carefully and you can hear my co-pilot dog barking LOL):

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Where all those destinations are concerned, Aerosoft is a good choice for payware European airports, with many of the most popular tourist destinations well served by their scenery offerings. If you fancy flying further afield into Eastern Europe, there's plenty of payware airports to be found on simmarket.com, or if you prefer freebie stuff, then give avsimrus.com a look, although of course the real Avsim, i.e. here also has a lot of cool freebie airports for FSX, many for those I listed in fact.

 

This'll get you started for charts in the UK incidentally: http://www.nats-uk.e...&Itemid=13.html

 

Al

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If you go down the UTX route, then you should complement it with GEX EU, which will give you much (much) better textures and scenery which looks great even flying low and slow. You should also instal a good mesh product (I use FSGenesis) and also consider landclass products like XClass or Scenerytech).

 

These products cover the whole of Europe. For the UK specifically:

 

If VFR accuracy is most important to you, then there is also a range of photographic scenery (Horizon covers the UK) which is very good, although it suffers from the usual photographic scenery problems (single season, flat and blurry at low level etc). Personally I prefer UTX/GEX.

 

UK2000 have three volumes of excellent UK airports, as well as some (as mentioned above) which are available separately. Scotflight provide similar airport/landmark scenery for north of the border. Both of these packages work with photo scenery, UTX/GEX, or default.

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Brilliant video,Al. What chopper was that you were using?

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GEX EU is just simply horrible.

 

Have a look at Aimé Leclerqs WWW:

 

http://secure.simmar...ful-world.phtml

 

Have to agree with MrBenevolent, that looks pretty darn good (and that's coming from a UTX and GEX Europe user). Might have to give it a try.

 

Other than that I pretty much agree with what Chock has said - UTX and GEX are a very good combo and although GEX gets a bad wrap, it's still miles better than default. And another +1 for UK2000 free airports, they are very good.

 

I would add a decent mesh makes a huge difference as well as the more intricate contours really come out. FSGenesis were doing a really good offer recently (may well still be on?) and I picked up Europe for £13! A big download though. This works particularly well if you have something like Shade as well.

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Have to agree with MrBenevolent, that looks pretty darn good (and that's coming from a UTX and GEX Europe user). Might have to give it a try.

 

Other than that I pretty much agree with what Chock has said - UTX and GEX are a very good combo and although GEX gets a bad wrap, it's still miles better than default. And another +1 for UK2000 free airports, they are very good.

 

I would add a decent mesh makes a huge difference as well as the more intricate contours really come out. FSGenesis were doing a really good offer recently (may well still be on?) and I picked up Europe for £13! A big download though. This works particularly well if you have something like Shade as well.

 

I am running UTX and GEX Europe plus the FSGenesis NextMap mesh and it is all pretty good!

 

Considering the Horizon Gen X vfr plus airports for my birthday in order to bring the UK to life. Something about being able to fly over a photorealistic coy of the airports and land I grew up around (Farnborough, Blackbushe etc) really appeals.

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Considering the Horizon Gen X vfr plus airports for my birthday in order to bring the UK to life. Something about being able to fly over a photorealistic coy of the airports and land I grew up around (Farnborough, Blackbushe etc) really appeals.

 

I have Horizon GenX, though not the airports but it is very good. IMO you *have* to use it with Treescapes otherwise it looks too flat.

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Odd. I guess it's not available to download because it's massive (4 DVDs per volume). I think it might be available at other suppliers, or do they just direct you back to the PlayHorizon site?

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Hope so, I was about to give them £80 and they can't afford a few DVD's?

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I have GEX, UK VFR by UK2000, UTX , FS GENESIS can I,install the Horizon photoscenery aswell or will it conflict with what I have listed?

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Hope so, I was about to give them £80 and they can't afford a few DVD's?

 

http://www.flightstore.co.uk/simulation-c8/vfr-photographic-scenery-generation-x-volume-1-southern-england-and-south-wales-for-fsx-p2760

 

Looks like maybe they're rebranding or something and everything will go through flightstore? I notice that Treescapes is on there as a Playsims branded product, even though it's ESI and that VFR airfields and UK2000 Xtreme airports are the same as well.

 

I have GEX, UK VFR by UK2000, UTX , FS GENESIS can I,install the Horizon photoscenery aswell or will it conflict with what I have listed?

 

Well if UK VFR by UK2000 is photoscenery then yes it will, but if it's airfields then no. Horizon comes with a more detailed mesh than FSGenesis I think, so I'd uninstall the relevant meshes depending on which Horizon volume(s) you buy.

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Brilliant video,Al. What chopper was that you were using?

 

Thank you. It was the Nemeth MD 500 Defender, which is pretty easy to fly and good fun to whizz around in when exploring things like that.

 

Chopper: http://secure.simmar...-defender.phtml

 

Other stuff in use on that vid included Earth Simulations' Treescapes and the Pro Mesh UK mesh.

 

Al

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Hi,

 

I'm in the process of building FSX in preparation for the PMDG 777, just had a look at the VFR scenery and it say's sold out, what is that about?

 

http://www.playhoriz...8&products_id=2

 

That's a very old product.

 

It's basically textures based on photographs taken at 5000 feet above ground.

It looks good at that altitude. As soon as you go down to 2000 it's not that impressive. You should also disable auto-gen when using it, because lots of 3D objects will look out of place.

 

The reason it says "sold out" is just because they aren't making them anymore.

 

You will very likely find it on e-bay though.

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Hi,

 

I'm in the process of building FSX in preparation for the PMDG 777, just had a look at the VFR scenery and it say's sold out, what is that about?

 

http://www.playhoriz...8&products_id=2

Have you tried Yorkshire-based Flightstore? They may have some in stock..

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Hi,

It's kind of you to talk about WWW, but don't forget also I've reworked default FSX textures because WWW don't cover cities textures.

 

http://sites.google....ns/30cm-project

 

Friendly

Aimé

 

Gentlemen, please follow this link, its very good and free, before you pull your wallet.

 

For me the textures looks great, world wide coverage, and better then GE europe.

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Hi,

It's kind of you to talk about WWW, but don't forget also I've reworked default FSX textures because WWW don't cover cities textures.

 

http://sites.google....ns/30cm-project

 

Friendly

Aimé

 

When going at that site I get the impression that this cover the whole world. I already have GEX USA and UT USA. Can I choose to install only part of the world?

Am I correct in thinking that the equivalent GEX would be the 30 and 50 cm forest+rock+interzone projects?

 

If you go down the UTX route, then you should complement it with GEX EU, which will give you much (much) better textures and scenery which looks great even flying low and slow. You should also instal a good mesh product (I use FSGenesis) and also consider landclass products like XClass or Scenerytech).

 

I consider both UTX and GEX too expensive. Is it a bad idea to consider only one of them? Are there any pics showing default, only UTX, only GEX side by side?

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Is it a bad idea to consider only one of them? Are there any pics showing default, only UTX, only GEX side by side?

 

http://www.avsim.com...ht1/GEX_Eur.htm

 

I bought UTX USA only and consider it a more important and worthwhile improvement over what GEX would of offered.

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