I've only had a couple G/As in the sim, and I follow procedure, and call off an approach if it is not stabilized, which rarely happens. Also, in the real world, if you have to Go Around, ATC will usually either vector you (if IMC) or put you into the traffic pattern (if VMC) when you go around. You usually don't really follow the missed approach procedure, unless there is a ton of other traffic. Most of the time, a G/A only adds 5-10 minutes of flight.

 

Hi,

I dont know if I agree with you on this;

 

If you go around when on Tower freq. you might certainly get the Standard Missed Approach proc.

Missed Approach on 5-10 minutes?? I doubt it...

 

Bert Van Bulck

 

 

Hi,

I dont know if I agree with you on this;

 

If you go around when on Tower freq. you might certainly get the Standard Missed Approach proc.

Missed Approach on 5-10 minutes?? I doubt it...

 

Bert Van Bulck

 

Actuall He's absolutely right, but he has it backwards. If it's IMC, we have no choice but to allow the pilot to fly the published missed. However, during VMC, we never allow pilots to fly the missed and give them vectors to get back in line. Which at Vegas will add 10 - 15 minutes to your flight.

I'm usually not bad at getting it lined up alright, but I would almost certainly go around or even divert if it looked bad.

 

But that is because I use TSR Autobrake and Air Hauler much of the time when flying airliners in FSX, so that's two good reasons to go around rather than risk things: one, the braking and skidding is more realistic from TSR, and two, if I bend the plane, my virtual company has to either pay for it or take a hit on the insurance premiums!

 

If it was just an AI aeroplane on the runway though, I'd ignore that and land, since I have collisions off. We all know that the AI can screw up and ATC can clash with other ATC programs etc, and I'm not adding another twenty five minutes worth of time and fuel (which I also have to pay for in AH) to my flight because of a glitch. But if it was a realistic reason to hit the TOGA, I absolutely would do, because when I wheel out the PMDG 737, realism is what I am after.

 

Al

TSR is a great addon for the PMDG MD11 and 744F, completely changes the braking behaviour, wouldn't fly without it. Good to see the NGX and future products have this simulated.

I ignore AI in the decision making process re: landing. The ATC is just not good enough and I'd end up going around more often than I'd land!

 

For any other considerations - wx below minima, unstabilised approach, and the odd float or bounce - I'll do the honourable thing and go around! Nothing ruins a few hours of meticulously planned flying than rolling off the end of the runway, frantically crushing the brake trigger on my saitek...

I actually find this to be a maneuver that I not only enjoy practicing but needs to be practiced. In the real world go arounds do happen, but more often than not, they do not occur at decision height. I've had real world go arounds at 1000' in vmc conditions, i've had them at 30 feet over the runway, and even before the final approach fix although not an official go around, but it still requires a bit of thinking before you go and press a toga button. Obviously company procedures dictate the procedure but good piloting skills and common sense will allow you to make the best call. A go around at 30 ft (balked landing) may not require the same technique as one that is initiated at say 1500' if your missed approach altitude is 2000'. I actually like to fly to an out of the way airport that has various approaches ( in the sim ) and using FS2CREW ( voice ) I perform 1 approach with a go around then vector to another approach with a missed approach and hold, then I like to shoot a full approach with procedure turn after leaving the hold come in and go missed then kill an engine on the go around run the procedures come back around and land with a single engine ILS. Sometimes I do a flap failure to a non precision approach. It's great practice and it takes away the boredom of doing the same old same old. Besides we are trying to do this like the big boys right? I like to do this once a month if I can. FAA requires every 6 months PC/LOFT, but either way it's a maneuver that doesn't get used very much in the real world so it's something that should not only be practiced but as a professional pilot it is your obligation to go around if it's not stable or safe. Practice like you play and play like you practice.

 

Bill Bumgardner

I've done just a handful of missed approaches in my entire simmer carrer, which started 3 years ago. The last time (last 2 times, actually) was about 3 weeks ago in Innsbruck with the NGX. They were planned, though, because I wanted to try the localizer approaches to both runways. Still, weather was a factor in my decision, because visibility was indeed much lower than the minimums for the visual portions for both runways. On the third attempt, however (and I should have diverted the flight at that point), I flew the ILS for RWY 26 below the minimums because I didn't want to divert nor had I planned any diversion route.

 

There were other occasions where I proceeded with unstabilized approaches, setting full flaps just a couple hundred feet above the runway and using speedbrakes at dangerously low speeds. I also happened to float over a runway and touch down on the last thousand meter of asphalt available, using full manual braking and full reverse thrust to stop. Never overshoot any runways, fortunately.

 

I have to say, though, missed approaches procedures are to be practiced even by us, sim pilots. You never know when you're gonna need it. I don't feel confortable at all performing this procedure. If you ask me about the normal operation of a 737, I tell you everything, top to bottom, but ask me about missed approach procedures and I get completely lost. Don't know what I'd do without my good friend FS2Crew in these situations.

Yesterday I approched Sydney to high and fast and speed brake was doing its best but not enough. Anyway I intercepted glide slope for auto land and the 737 handle it beautifully, low and fast touchdown 200kts with -96fpm

 

all good :-)

There are survivors ?

 

 

Actuall He's absolutely right, but he has it backwards. If it's IMC, we have no choice but to allow the pilot to fly the published missed. However, during VMC, we never allow pilots to fly the missed and give them vectors to get back in line. Which at Vegas will add 10 - 15 minutes to your flight.

 

Are you a controller at Vegas? The Nellis Controllers always seem to ignore published approaches and improvise stuff on me. Whenever I come in IFR from the south or east they tell me to fly directly at the stratosphere tower. Lol.

 

Actuall He's absolutely right, but he has it backwards. If it's IMC, we have no choice but to allow the pilot to fly the published missed. However, during VMC, we never allow pilots to fly the missed and give them vectors to get back in line. Which at Vegas will add 10 - 15 minutes to your flight.

Ok, I see that I got it backwards. My experience comes from smaller airports (ABQ), and usually with a missed approach (rarely happens, but from what I've experienced/heard over the radio), depending on the airplane, the controllers will usually put you right back in the traffic pattern, and you usually don't have to go back to approach. Notice I put "usually" because each situation is different, so each is handled differently. But for the most part, that is what I've expierenced.

I almost never have to do them, only if the approach is sloppy but now that I know how to properly fly one it isn't an issue. The last go around I had to do was when ATC cleared me for the ILS way too late a few months back (VATSIM).

There are survivors ?

 

wasnt that bad, really, a flat approach and a firm bump . okay a big thud! and no screams from the pax

 

It was my first flight with Voxatc (fantastic ATC) and I screwed up the approach, live n learn

I don't mind going around at all, esp when I know I'm going to screw up the landing. A good landing is just too good a feeling. However, I'm often lectured on VATSIM not to go around when things are busy. But when a controller puts me on a 10 mile final at 8,000 feet AGL I just tell them I can't make miracles happen.

I don't mind going around at all, esp when I know I'm going to screw up the landing. A good landing is just too good a feeling. However, I'm often lectured on VATSIM not to go around when things are busy. But when a controller puts me on a 10 mile final at 8,000 feet AGL I just tell them I can't make miracles happen.

 

When I was controlling on IVAO, I thought it increased the fun when people were going around. Tell those guys on VATSIM to raise their level :)

 

Best Regards,

Bert Van Bulck