Thanks Craig, I had heard that Navigraph were using a database from a specific source that provided navdata to their customers, and this source only included data that their customers wanted based on their forum responses. They had said they only get airports included if their source has customers that use those airports.

 

I was hoping Aerosoft were using a different source, with more complete data.

 

For example the source that Garmin uses for their GNS units, seems to have more coverage over the smaller airports.

 

But if they are the exact same source, then I don't know if there can be any improvement except the difference between cycles..

 

No Aerosoft uses LIDO Database from Lufthansa Systems

 

Navigraph uses Navtech data. They are completely different.

 

The LIDO Database is on par with Jeppesen regarding the coverage and quality. Navtech is not.

 

 

Btw: According to Aerosoft Cycle 1210 Rev.2 with the fixed PMDG stuff is available for download now.

 

 

Jan-Paul

I think Navigraph have a different source which has holes in its coverage, eg, no sids or stars for PHNL. As you say, the source is geared towards its customer base which isn't the flight simming community.

Don't know about the coverage, but the AS price seems too high to me... Circa $10 for a sinlge cycle purchase? $32 for a year? Are we serious?

 

I'd appreciate it more if I had the option to buy (prepay) for any amount of cycles I want, but use them for any cycle I want and not necessarily consecutive ones. For example I'd like to be able to buy 7 cycles, but download a new one every 3 months... In this way I am covered for a longer period and my data is not very outdated,and AS get their money in advance. With their method combined with their price I'm afraid that I'll have to pass...

El padrino

 

you can buy 4 updates and use them when you like for example. There are alternative plans.

 

Craig

I don't think that I will be attracted until the database is demonstrated as better than Navigraph AND charts are included. Even then, I don't want anything that is even more expensive.

That means almost $8/cycle and it's still restricted for one year.

 

Getting just one cycle is ok for me, but at $10...? Ain't this pricey?

Don't know about the coverage, but the AS price seems too high to me... Circa $10 for a sinlge cycle purchase? $32 for a year? Are we serious?

 

Maybe this will be the differentiating factor..

 

Aerosoft = better coverage

Navigraph = cheaper price

 

As for who has the best quality and least errors, it's too early to say. But competition is good, that's for sure.

 

 

Jan-Paul - thanks for clearing that up, that's what I was hoping for and I'm glad the source is different.

Anyone compared Europe with Navigraph, in particular the UK?

€20 for 4 updates does sound expensive compared to the 5 updates for €10 with Navigraph. Mathijs on the Aerosoft forum did say they intended to compete on price but looking at this comparison, it doesn't appear to be the case. I am afraid for the flying that I do, I can't justify the spending extra amount with Aerosoft. So I will stick with Navigraph for the forseeable future.

Yeah to pricey for me. For flight simming in the US Navigraph is fine especially for the price.

I hope Navigrpah grow to meet Aerosoft's competition headon and expand their service by including data from another provider to get greater coverage, then we would truly have a choice.

 

We will exactly do that, Dan B) We are ready for such competition - you will see it very, very, very soon :rolleyes: and as you wrote: competition is good

 

Cheers,

Richard

 

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We will exactly do that, Dan B) We are ready for such competition - you will see it very, very, very soon :rolleyes: and as you wrote: competition is good

 

Cheers,

Richard

 

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Richard Stefan / Navigraph

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Nice, look forward to hearing more of what y'all have in mind.

We will exactly do that, Dan B) We are ready for such competition - you will see it very, very, very soon :rolleyes: and as you wrote: competition is good

 

Cheers,

Richard

 

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Richard Stefan / Navigraph

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Great to hear Richard, look forward to seeing what Navigraph comes up with.

I still have a number of Navigraph credits, which are good for 4 cycles... I will use those up first and then look at the market in, say, 6 months... It is good to have competition, and I think Aerosoft's pricing of the 4 cycle package needs to come down. €20 for 4 cycles is too much, particularly when you get 13 cycles in the same time limit for €30. €8 per cycle is comparative daylight robbery though... sounds like a political decision to force people into buying the packages...

 

I know these data are a lot more expensive in the real world, then again, nobody's life is at risk if we use the wrong version in the virtual world...

 

When it comes to the LIDO database, I would say €4.99 for a single cycle, €16 for 4 cycles in a 12-month period (20% reduction in price per cycle over single purchase) and €32 for the 13 updates per 12-month period (over 50% reduction in comparison with the single cycle purchase every month)... but of course, the market will determine the pricing in the long term...

 

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