Seems like the early leaked results shown on Tom's Hardware (and discussed here previously) were correct.  Memory read performance is down compared to Ivy Bridge, single and even multi threaded performance is within the margin of error, the only bright spots are memory write performance and integrated graphics performance which won't help out FSX users in the slightest.  Very disappointing for a new architecture.  Haswell's only saving grace may be its overclockability.  Looks like we'll need about 5.5GHz out of these chips to consider them a worthwhile upgrade for Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge users already running near 5GHz.  

 

Xbitlabs article: http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20130509193636_New_Benchmark_Results_of_Intel_Core_i_Haswell_Hit_the_Web.html

Disappointing but useful info, thanks mate. Very exciting to see some real benching when Haswell comes out. As far as this info goes,, it seems like a OC'd SB or IB with the best cooling available and a GTX680 will be best value for money for a long time still.

Max , see that when compare the 5ghz haswell super pi run the aida64 result,

Compared to My Aida run @ 5ghz with 3770.

But if the Haswell has stronger IMC and stable at 3000mhz or more it compensated for that.

Second cross the fingers that it make 200-400 MHz more when OC

Max , see that when compare the 5ghz haswell super pi run the aida64 result,

Compared to My Aida run @ 5ghz with 3770.

But if the Haswell has stronger IMC and stable at 3000mhz or more it compensated for that.

Second cross the fingers that it make 200-400 MHz more when OC

 

Hasse, I really hope Haswell can scale up to well over 5GHz without having to resort to sub-ambient cooling like you have.  Memory performance will need to scale at least 10% over Ivy Bridge to make up the deficit on read speed, think there's any memory out there that will do 3200MHz with decent timings?  I've been looking and haven't found anything yet...

I had hoped for better...

Hasse, I really hope Haswell can scale up to well over 5GHz without having to resort to sub-ambient cooling like you have.  Memory performance will need to scale at least 10% over Ivy Bridge to make up the deficit on read speed, think there's any memory out there that will do 3200MHz with decent timings?  I've been looking and haven't found anything yet...

I shall give it a go , the MoBo i can get today the 4770k ?

Shall first test My team mems they do +3000mhz at cl11 at least .

The cooling when tune the system would be with a H110 then its reday for zubzero.

Have not find any good mem sets yet shall try with hynix set and see how that work out.

I had hoped for better...

 

 

Same here... Not sure we are going to see silicon (GHZ/IPC) get much better than what we have now... 

 

Multicore is and has been the future for the past few generations... 

it seems like a OC'd SB or IB with the best cooling available and a GTX680 will be best value for money for a long time still.

 

What about being paired with a Titan? Any news on how impressive or not that would be?

 

 

it seems like a OC'd SB or IB with the best cooling available and a GTX680 will be best value for money for a long time still.

 

 

What about being paired with a Titan? Any news on how impressive or not that would be?

Yep, I am going titan, some time. Kostas comparison show that there is some gain, although pricewise we're moving slowly ahead for a high price though.

I'm not surprised. All the low-hanging fruit as far as IPC improvements have already been picked. Once the architecture is about as optimized as it can be, it gets very hard to extract more performance. It's not trivial to extract more performance out of a CPU, that's why AMD is struggling so much. If they can extract another 10%, that will be quite a feat.

 

Besides, the rest of the world doesn't really care about raw CPU performance any more. They want low TDPs, new deep-sleep states with instant resume and shiny touch screens. Flight simmers clinging to a decade-old 3D engine are almost the only ones left who bother overclocking these chips to ridiculous speeds. Even gamers have more or less stopped pursuing extreme CPU clock speeds because modern 3D engines are written to take advantage of newer GPUs and so the frame rate depends more on the GPU than the CPU.

 

I was going to get an SB CPU but waited for IB. When it overclocked worse, I figured I might as well wait for Haswell. In retrospect, I could just have gotten SB several years ago, but Haswell should be a nice improvement over my 3.7 GHz AMD. For anyone running a high-end Intel CPU released in the last 4-5 years or so, there's absolutely no point in upgrading. Don't expect something better anytime soon, either. Next year is a "tick", just a die-shrink with no significant improvements. It will probably be even more SoC-like than Haswell, primarily designed for tablets and ultrabooks.

"Modern" 3d engines are mainly focused either on optimizing for gaming console performance, which is, say what you will, about two generations behind PC (including upcoming PS4/Xbox720), or on mobile performance (which is silly, as 3d on mobile is mostly a really bad idea.....).

 

Plus, there are NO "modern" 3d engines that are as flexible for full 6DoF movement as are FSX and XPlane; that is a rather unique, and far more challenging, capability. They're more like 2.5D, actually.

Days of big performance gains are over. It's all incremental from here.

Lower operating cost, i.e. GFLOP per watt (or whatever type of op), is the driving market factor these days for high performance processors. I hope my wait to upgrade was not wasted time; I'll find out for sure in a few weeks. Besides, I doubt that any upgrade (IB/haswell) will give me no more than 40% better performance (if even that much) over my i7 860 (though the IO improvements of a CPU/mobo upgrade cannot be ignored). Unless intel gives us a sub $500 8 core desk top CPU, the days of 2x to 3x performance upgrades for mainstream consumers are over.

Hopefully overclocking potential makes up for this. Let's wait and see for the reviews after release.

I saw a screenshot of a 4770k @ 5.0GHz with relatively low voltage the other day, but it didn't say what cooling was used or how stable it was so I'm not holding out hope too much.