May 17, 201313 yr Author First impressions, wow, she's gorgeous. Carenado has done it again with the best GA textures in the business. I also love the new 3D switches. It certainly makes things easier when flying in the VC. It also feels reasonable when flown by hand and you can enter a basic flight plan via the MFD but it seems a bit clunky. The FPS is quite good, better than the SR22 but I think that was accomplished by reducing the resolution on the displays as they do not appear as sharp as the SR22. All in all, not too bad. However, it seems my TBM came from the factory with the wrong engine. According to the TBM brochure, max cruising speed is 320KTAS at 26,000 feet in ISA conditions. The most I ever saw was with -37 OAT is 279KTAS. I can forgive Carenado for a lot of things but that is, frankly, disappointing. I really really wanted this bird to be good so its really sad that I'm thinking seriously about asking them for a refund. Chris Magnus HR Manager Air Jamaica Virtual Airlines and Cargo (http://www.airjamaicavirtualairlinesandcargo.org)
May 17, 201313 yr Hmm that doesn't sound right. FS aircraft rarely match the numbers exactly, but this sounds like a big difference. I'll keep watching this thread before deciding. It's easy to impulse-buy Carenado aircraft because they look so incredibly pretty in the screenshots, but they are hit and miss when it comes to flight modelling and systems. Also, while some developers keep putting out patches and fixes long after an add-on has been released, Carenado tend to abandon a product after a few weeks and move on to the next project. If something is still broken 2 weeks after release, it's unlikely it will ever be fixed. -
May 17, 201313 yr It's far too slow at altitude. You can tell Bernt did not do the FDE. The MFD shakes around while idle on the ground. I do like the new clickspots though. | My Liveries | FAA ZMP | PPL ASEL | | Windows 11 | MSI Z690 Tomahawk | 12700K 4.7GHz | MSI RTX 4080 | 64GB 6000 MHz DDR5 | 500GB Samsung 860 Evo SSD | 2x 2TB Samsung 970 Evo M.2 | EVGA 850W Gold | Corsair 5000X | HP G2 (VR) / LG 27" 1440p |
May 17, 201313 yr Author It's far too slow at altitude. You can tell Bernt did not do the FDE. The MFD shakes around while idle on the ground. I do like the new clickspots though. It's sad to say but even Mario's P-180 has a more believable FDE than the TBM, plus his engines also blow up if you don't manage them properly B) Time for a refund you think? Chris Magnus HR Manager Air Jamaica Virtual Airlines and Cargo (http://www.airjamaicavirtualairlinesandcargo.org)
May 17, 201313 yr Unsure... I'll be testing more. The lack of speed is a problem but maybe it's on my end? At or near sea level with half fuel I was able to get only 240 kias. That's max power, over temping the engines etc... | My Liveries | FAA ZMP | PPL ASEL | | Windows 11 | MSI Z690 Tomahawk | 12700K 4.7GHz | MSI RTX 4080 | 64GB 6000 MHz DDR5 | 500GB Samsung 860 Evo SSD | 2x 2TB Samsung 970 Evo M.2 | EVGA 850W Gold | Corsair 5000X | HP G2 (VR) / LG 27" 1440p |
May 17, 201313 yr Author Unsure... I'll be testing more. The lack of speed is a problem but maybe it's on my end? At or near sea level with half fuel I was able to get only 240 kias. That's max power, over temping the engines etc... 240 at sea level? Sounds like we're in the same boat, err, plane :rolleyes: Chris Magnus HR Manager Air Jamaica Virtual Airlines and Cargo (http://www.airjamaicavirtualairlinesandcargo.org)
May 17, 201313 yr It's far too slow at altitude. You can tell Bernt did not do the FDE. The MFD shakes around while idle on the ground. I do like the new clickspots though. It's sad to say but even Mario's P-180 has a more believable FDE than the TBM, plus his engines also blow up if you don't manage them properly B) Time for a refund you think? Outside of the speed issue, real pilots seem to think it flies pretty accurately. Sent from my HTC6435LVW using Tapatalk 2 Ark -------------------------- I9 9900K @ 5ghz / 32GB G.Skill (Samsung B) / Aorus Master Mobo / EVGA GTX 2080Ti FTW 3
May 17, 201313 yr Author Outside of the speed issue, real pilots seem to think it flies pretty accurately. Sent from my HTC6435LVW using Tapatalk 2 That speed issue is a pretty big one.... Chris Magnus HR Manager Air Jamaica Virtual Airlines and Cargo (http://www.airjamaicavirtualairlinesandcargo.org)
May 17, 201313 yr Based on everything I've read on this thread I still feel like getting the Malibu is the smarter choice over the TBM, any thoughts?
May 17, 201313 yr Unsure... I'll be testing more. The lack of speed is a problem but maybe it's on my end? At or near sea level with half fuel I was able to get only 240 kias. That's max power, over temping the engines etc... This aircraft is limited to 700 hp at TO and anytime the flaps are in use. One has to change engine modes to release the full 850 hp or else your flying the 700hp TBM 700 which is 20 to 40 knots slower. I assume you had it at the full 850 HP? There is a detent on the flap lever beyond the flaps "full up" position that will unlock all 850 of the ponies.
May 17, 201313 yr It looks like the designer set up the motor for 'normal' 750 shp at 100% throttle, instead of 850 shp, which would have worked with how the "850" power lever actually works in sim. When out of the "850" full power flap setting, which is normal for takeoff or landing, the sim limits throttle to around 90%. So you are actually getting about 100 shp short of a 750 shp motor at 90% throttle, instead of an 850 shp motor at 10% less throttle, if that makes sense. That's a big power difference, 20% less, and would explain (more or less) the 20% loss of expected top end TAS. I only looked at power and throttle positions with AFSD, a sim data inspection tool, and to make the actual fix may require adjusting many prop and engine parameters outside of those two variables, not sure.
May 17, 201313 yr Author There is a detent on the flap lever beyond the flaps "full up" position that will unlock all 850 of the ponies. I did see that detent above "full up" and wondered what it was for. Hopefully someone can check that soon or I'll do it when I get home. Chris Magnus HR Manager Air Jamaica Virtual Airlines and Cargo (http://www.airjamaicavirtualairlinesandcargo.org)
May 17, 201313 yr 850 flaps still leaves you 20-25kts too slow at altitude. At FL240 ISA, 2000rpm, 121% TRQ I was getting 290 TAS. The charts will probably show this as about 20kts too slow. At FL190 I was getting about 270 TAS...again about 20-25kts too slow. I was never able to hit 300 True...but havent tested beyond FL240 yet.Also I noticed the FDE leaves this plane feeling very unstable in its horizontal axis...I seem to be feeling alot of yaw/uncoordinated flight behavior...almost as it if wants to dutch roll. Maybe using the word "very" here is an overstatement, but it's enough to make me feel uneasy at times. For anyone who hasn't found this yet, here's a nice read: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/flight-test-eads-tbm850-propelled-to-success-207667/ Dave Kalin Excel Classes Computer Lessons
May 17, 201313 yr FL260 is the 'sweet spot" for best performance for the real aircraft. Ensure your have zero winds to confirm. I'm going to purchase this tonight. If there is any issue with slightly lower speeds I'm sure Carenado will correct it- certainly no deal killer for me.
May 17, 201313 yr Author Interesting article: "On takeoff and in terminal operations, the TBM 850 is identical to the TBM 700 and automatically torque-limited to 100%. With the flap switch in the 850 detent, I’m the torque limiter, and I better be careful, lest I risk an overtorque down low or an interturbine overtemp up high." http://www.tbm850.com/IMG/pdf/PilotJournal_Apr07.pdf Chris Magnus HR Manager Air Jamaica Virtual Airlines and Cargo (http://www.airjamaicavirtualairlinesandcargo.org)
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