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What is The Best Twin?

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MilViz C310R and Milviz B55, have them both.   I believe that Milviz is the new developer of excellence.  Their GA planes are equal to Carenado in exterior texture quality, and they exceed all developers (except PMDG) as far as cockpit graphics and systems functionality.  I am told that their FDE models are spot on. I don't intend to buy anything else in the near future as long as they keep producing GA aircraft and they maintain their quality.

Exactly and this is also why I fly their gear. Looking forward to their 737-200.

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and they exceed all developers (except PMDG) as far as cockpit graphics and systems functionality.

 

Could you specify where they exceed all other developers like A2A, Real Air, and others in system funcionality? Do they exceed the deep level of simulation that the accusimmed aircrafts have? Curious...

 

 


The Milviz Baron is nice, but the B55 and E55 having the same visual model is a little off-putting. The E55, IIRC, is about a foot longer and has a few other visual changes as well.

 

After reading this part of the thread (and noting Milviz's response, which seems reasonable) I did a bit of research on this, looking at web sites from actual Baron owners and pilots.  See the following interesting link:

 

http://www.flyingmag.com/forums/aircraft/beechcraft-barons

 

It seems that the E55 is in fact not only a bit longer but also has a longer landing gear wheelbase than the B55.  However I also noticed that a lot of real world B55 owners have carried out engine upgrade conversions (e.g., the "Colemill conversion").  What I have decided is that for my own flying the Milviz "E55" is more accurately a B55 with a 285 hp engine upgrade.  (This works if the FDE Milviz has provided for their E55 is accurate to a B55 with a 285 hp engine).

My system specs: Intel [email protected] - 5.2 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080, 32GB  DDR4  RAMNoctua NH-D15 CPU Cooler,1TB Seagate SSD, 4TB Seagate HD, Windows 10, Asus 32 inch monitor, Saitek Yoke, Throttle Quadrant, Rudder Pedals and Trim Wheel     Sims: MSFS2020      Preferred Aircraft  Black Square Bonanza, and Baron, A2A Comanche, PMDG DC-6, Red Wing L1049 

Could you specify where they exceed all other developers like A2A, Real Air, and others in system funcionality? Do they exceed the deep level of simulation that the accusimmed aircrafts have? Curious...

You can go to MilViz site and download the manuals for free and see for yourself.  MilViz does not simulate engine wear and tear the way A2A does but they do simulate the plane flight model behavior and the systems very close to the real thing indeed.  Reading the manual and using the plane is sometime overwhelming like you do own the real thing.  

Vu Pham

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but they do simulate the plane flight model behavior and the systems very close to the real thing indeed.

 

And the others don't?

Sorry for quoting you about this but the statement "Their GA planes are equal to Carenado in exterior texture quality, and they exceed all developers (except PMDG) as far as cockpit graphics and systems functionality." was a very bold accusation. It's the same as saying Milviz is the only company that produces realistic aircrafts, I find that hard to believe.  I don't have any Milviz planes as I only buy planes with more simulation depth as A2A and others, but im sure the FDE are ok and stuff but not that they exceed others like A2A, I kinda believe the opposite if you see how much time it takes to make an Accusimmed aircraft versus Carenados and Milviz planes. Carenado seem to release planes faster than I change underwear...

 

 


I don't have any Milviz planes

 

Hi Kaboki

 

You are harassing the wrong person, I am the one who complimented Milviz planes.  As you say you don't have any Milviz planes, so you don't know if they have simulation depth or not.  But as far as A2A, keep in mind that this thread started out being about GA twins, and unfortunately A2A have not released such an aircraft.

 

We are fortunate that developers like Milviz, RealAir and A2A have raised the bar on quality and realism in the last couple of years.  I think we are at the point in time where most of the FSX GA aircraft developed prior to 2010/11 could be redeveloped to today's much higher standards and find a very large market indeed.

My system specs: Intel [email protected] - 5.2 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080, 32GB  DDR4  RAMNoctua NH-D15 CPU Cooler,1TB Seagate SSD, 4TB Seagate HD, Windows 10, Asus 32 inch monitor, Saitek Yoke, Throttle Quadrant, Rudder Pedals and Trim Wheel     Sims: MSFS2020      Preferred Aircraft  Black Square Bonanza, and Baron, A2A Comanche, PMDG DC-6, Red Wing L1049 

Hi Kaboki

 

 

 

You are harassing the wrong person, I am the one who complimented Milviz planes. As you say you don't have any Milviz planes, so you don't know if they have simulation depth or not. But as far as A2A, keep in mind that this thread started out being about GA twins, and unfortunately A2A have not released such an aircraft.

 

 

 

We are fortunate that developers like Milviz, RealAir and A2A have raised the bar on quality and realism in the last couple of years. I think we are at the point in time where most of the FSX GA aircraft developed prior to 2010/11 could be redeveloped to today's much higher standards and find a very large market indeed.

 

Sorry about that didn't notice because you quoted me on my question to the other person. Im sure Milviz is the state of the art but saying  "Their GA planes are equal to Carenado in exterior texture quality, and they exceed all developers (except PMDG) as far as cockpit graphics and systems functionality." was a very bold accusation no matter who said what.

 

And you can harras me with my statement "I don't have any Milviz planes as I only buy planes with more simulation depth as A2A and others, but im sure the FDE are ok and stuff but not that they exceed others like A2A, I kinda believe the opposite if you see how much time it takes to make an Accusimmed aircraft versus Carenados and Milviz planes. Carenado seem to release planes faster than I change underwear..." because I can see that was an even a bolder statement considering I don't even own a Milviz plane. I'll take that back, but as far as Carenado goes my statement will not change :lol: I have a hangar full off them collecting dust.

 

And I know this thread is about twins, but I didn't bring it up, just responded to a statement I found to be a very bold accusation..

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Count me in as a huge fan of MilViz. The C310 is a joy to fly. As a bonus, for those of you who own the MindStar G1000, it integrates perfectly with the G1000 panel and works flawlessly with the MilViz KAP 140 autopilot. The advantage of the MS G1000 is you get a full-functioning G1000 unit with a now updateable nav database. That makes for a very nice C310 model.

 

Todd

Regards,

Todd Harrell

 

Computer: i7 3770k @ 4.6 GHz, 16 GB DDR3 RAM, GTX 1070 GPU, 750W PSU, 250 GB SSD (Win 7), 500 GB SSD (P3D), 2 x 1TB HDD, 28-inch Viewsonic 1080p monitor

Sim: P3Dv3

I second that the Milviz C310R is currently the best piston twin for FSX. After cross comparing the C310, Milviz B55 and the duke, I decided using the 310 as my practicing twin, it simply just has a soul! The sound is amazzzing, the gauges are classic and beautiful, and to me the most important the FDE is stable AND active. I don't like the feeling of B55, it is a bit touchy/light like the most of Carenado planes, especially for the pitch control.  It's really hard to control the vertical speed smoothy and steady. Maybe it is because my joystick is crap but I don't have such problem with the 310R, duke, pacer, lagecy, scout or other planes.

Just for fun, kill an engine just after takeoff in the 310, see if you can survive :) 

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Good luck on that one...

Please contact oisin at milviz dot com for forum registration information.  Please provide proof of purchase if you want support.  Also, include the username you wish to have.
 

 

 


As a bonus, for those of you who own the MindStar G1000, it integrates perfectly with the G1000 panel and works flawlessly with the MilViz KAP 140 autopilot.

Hi Todd,

 

Could you post or PM me with the information on how to do this?  I am looking at the Mindstar G1000 as well and may jump in if I can use it with the C310R.  

 

Thanks in advance.

Vu Pham

i7-13700K 5.2 GHz OC, 64 GB RAM, RTX5090, SSD for Sim, SSD for system. MSFS2020, XP-12, DCS

It's actually very easy. The instructions on what to enter in the panel.cfg file is included in a text file that comes with the software.

 

So, in the MilViz C310, you simply replace the default G1000 with the Mindstar G1000 in the panel.cfg file that is in the panel.G1000 folder.

 

The software comes with an application that allows you to customize the G1000 for each aircraft. So, you can enter all the V speeds, etc for the 310. The application comes with a variety of preset profiles (C172, C182, Mustang, Baron, Twin turbine, etc). I use the Baron profile which is like a generic twin setup with MP, RPM, Mixture settings. Works beautifully. You just have to use the MilViz KAP AP, which works fine. And like I said, you can now get updates to navdata, but it's not Navigraph or navdata pro. Annual subscription is only $40 I think.

 

Todd

Regards,

Todd Harrell

 

Computer: i7 3770k @ 4.6 GHz, 16 GB DDR3 RAM, GTX 1070 GPU, 750W PSU, 250 GB SSD (Win 7), 500 GB SSD (P3D), 2 x 1TB HDD, 28-inch Viewsonic 1080p monitor

Sim: P3Dv3

It's actually very easy. The instructions on what to enter in the panel.cfg file is included in a text file that comes with the software.

 

So, in the MilViz C310, you simply replace the default G1000 with the Mindstar G1000 in the panel.cfg file that is in the panel.G1000 folder.

 

The software comes with an application that allows you to customize the G1000 for each aircraft. So, you can enter all the V speeds, etc for the 310. The application comes with a variety of preset profiles (C172, C182, Mustang, Baron, Twin turbine, etc). I use the Baron profile which is like a generic twin setup with MP, RPM, Mixture settings. Works beautifully. You just have to use the MilViz KAP AP, which works fine. And like I said, you can now get updates to navdata, but it's not Navigraph or navdata pro. Annual subscription is only $40 I think.

 

Todd

Thanks Todd.   One last question if you don't mind,  the Mindstar gauge is a 2 D gauge right? MilViz 310R has 3D knobs.  Is the Mindstar a pop up for you to use the controls?

 

Thanks in advance.

Vu Pham

i7-13700K 5.2 GHz OC, 64 GB RAM, RTX5090, SSD for Sim, SSD for system. MSFS2020, XP-12, DCS

 MilViz 310R has 3D knobs. 

 

 

 

If I recall correctly, the C310 has the "Radio Free" model version, that doesn't have any 3D knobs, thus allowing full flexibility for putting the MindStar (or any other gauges of your choice) straight onto the VC panel.

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