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Brian_A_Neuman

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Hi guys,

 

I'm looking at upgrading my flight planner. For the past several years I have been using FSBuild after using flightaware plans. 90% of all my flights are under 4 hours and 75% or so of all of my flights are using a PMDG aircraft. I am looking closely at PFPX. Is this more power then I need to do shorter hops? Does it create realistic flight plans based on weather to include proper SIDS and stars? I looked at the site and I am unsure I understand it. Thanks.

 

 

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PFPX really shines brightly on long haul flights especially those that require ETOPS, but it still shines on the short routes too, it will select the appropriate departure and arrival runway, and SIDS and STARs based on the current weather, you can also set it to automatically build a route optimized for winds. I moved up from using FSBUILD for years now and PFPX is the replacement ive been wanting all along.

 

edite: it does EVERYTHING fsbuild does and a whole lot more.

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Maybe I am just old school, but I have been using vRoute Premium for years. I use it along with topcat. One thing I really like about vRoute is that it keeps up to date charts for US and EU airports. It has cycle updates for free. It also gives a nice flight plan sheet that you can print out. Let me see if I can get some screenies.

 

EDIT: I forgot to add that it can automatically book vatsim blocks for you and shows you currently online pilots and controllers, as well as foretasted based on historical data.

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I couldn't fly without PFPX now. Considering my average flight time is eight hours - even on one hour hops I use it and works perfectly. It's honestly the best product for FSX I own after the 777  ^_^

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Here are some screenies: (NOTE THAT IT ALREADY HAS PMDG 777 SUPPORT!) It is about 30USD and also worth noting, you can create a plan file for import into PMDG aircraft FMC if you wish.

 

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Maybe I am just old school, but I have been using vRoute Premium for years. I use it along with topcat. One thing I really like about vRoute is that it keeps up to date charts for US and EU airports. It has cycle updates for free. It also gives a nice flight plan sheet that you can print out. Let me see if I can get some screenies.

 

EDIT: I forgot to add that it can automatically book vatsim blocks for you and shows you currently online pilots and controllers, as well as foretasted based on historical data.

+1

 

The T 777 flight profile is there now as well. 

Its a top little performer with top Support

It doesn't have Etops however in the manual PMDG state they will be supplying a tutorial on this soon

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Hi,

 

I have just upgraded myself from FSBuild/Flightaware to PFPX. It's a great program, I'd buy it again in a heartbeat!!!

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Thanks for the feedback/advice. I'm seriously considering PFPX but will look a vRoute too. Just not as happy with how I am doing my planning at the moment and need to upgrade.

 

 

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Thanks for the feedback/advice. I'm seriously considering PFPX but will look a vRoute too. Just not as happy with how I am doing my planning at the moment and need to upgrade.

 

Hi Brian, I'm currently using FSBuild too but don't really know what I'm missing out on cos it's the only one I've ever used. So just wondering what shortcomings you've encountered using FSBuild that another planner might overcome. Are you thinking interface/ease of use, or ability to import/export, or weather integration etc?

-Paul

 

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Paul,

 

The ease if use on FSbuild is fantastic. But on auto routes sometimes it seems to make off plans or have way too much waypoints. I'm looking for fuel planning as well I could figure it out but I guess I am looking for a more real way to plan without spending hours trying to plan it.

 

 

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Trust me, PFPX is all you will need Brian, for the PMDG 777 and the 737 fuel planning is very accurate, the only thing i had to adjust was the taxi fuel burn rate, because of FSX crappy ground friction you use more fuel taxiing than normal.

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Only niggle I have had with PFPX so far with Routing is that it tends to favour arriving via a STAR if one is available. Normally this is a good thing, but at YBCG arriving from Singapore (Scoot SCO6) it will route well south so that it can arrive via the ROONY/GREAV arrivals, which are really only valid from Sydney. Instead the route should go via a low altitude airway direct to CG VOR and enter one of the VOR/DME approach procedures from overhead the aid.

 

I havn't had any problems with more standard places (ie places with lots of STAR's or even ones with none).

 

Fuel predictions have been uncannily accurate. Example: on a Trans Atlantic I was within 0.1 metric tonnes of the predicted level through the entire NAT, every single point up to and past 52N020W. The landing was a little over 0.8 tonnes out, but that was EGLL on Vatsim with ATC online pushing me around the sky and speed limiting me with traffic etc.

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I use Plan-G V3 with my data synched to my FSX so I can plan routes with data directly from my game so it all matches up. Its not the most feature intensive program but it is free and it gives you actually FSX data tailored to your system, and that to me is gold.

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Hmmm...

 

Looks tough. vRoute looks a little like FSC which is good and bad. PFPX might be more what I am l looking for if it takes the guess work out of SIDS and STARS. I can usually figure then out using SkyVector, but that takes time.

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I do not regret buying pfpx at all.  I just did a 15 hour flight in the 777, and the fuel burn was only 1 tonne off and 6 minutes late on the arrival time, but i am blaming that on active sky.

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Hi Brian,

 

One more vote to PFPX. I have it and I love it:) Its all you need:)

 

Cheers

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Just completed a 12 hour flight from LIMC to WSSS without problems so I'm gonna sleep on it. Will probably pick up PFPX tomorrow. Thanks for all the input guys.

 

 

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I'd chip in here and say that I've already found PFPX and Aivlasoft EFB to be a tremendous combination. Really gives you the whole picture every step of the way.

 

Interestingly, I note that Aivlasoft is an official partner of Flightsimsoft on their website, so maybe we can look forward to parallel development?

 

PFPX really completes the circle in terms of virtual tubeliner flying.

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Does / did anyone own Flight Operation Center? I've read in some forums it's very good and accurate, but so far no-one in this topic has mentioned it. I had never heard of PFPX before, but judging by the replies it's well worth it. Still, I'd like to hear some opinion about F.O.C. as well.

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Sure PFPX is nice if you want to be extremely accurate, but the cheap way to work this is to:

 

1. Build your route with routefinder or flightaware (if us bound/outbound)

2. check it with simroutes or simbrief and possibly download your route (fsx/pmdg)

3. play with fuel numbers until they are at an acceptable value at destination or use the pmdg manual and calculate it yourself.

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Sure you can do all the work by yourself, but what I like about pfpx is it takes less than 5 mins to have an accurate flight plan, where it would take me at least 30 to 45 mins, which is why I guess it costs money.

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PFPX + OpusFSX + T7. Yesterday I told to my fellow simmers - this combination is scary precise, very easy to use and lots of additional information at your fingertips. I guess its same with any PMDG a/c.

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If you are going to do plenty of longer flights (6+ hours) then I would highly suggest PFPX and if most of your flights are going to be regional or 4-5 hours max then I would stick with FSbuild or even just a basic fuel planner, I have no plans on using PFPX for my domestic 737 flights (especially since I pretty much memorized the required fuel for my usual routes lol). Just a personal opinion but each to their own.

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vRoute and PFPX are different. PFPX is a flight planner, whereas vRoute is a huge collection of routes already planned by someone else. If you want the top of the range flight planner, PFPX is what you need. 

 

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Paul,

 

The ease if use on FSbuild is fantastic. But on auto routes sometimes it seems to make off plans or have way too much waypoints. I'm looking for fuel planning as well I could figure it out but I guess I am looking for a more real way to plan without spending hours trying to plan it.

 

 

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Ah, OK thanks Brian. I find it great to use too but haven't tried the auto routing.

 

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