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Does it bother anyone when you fly to a particular airport only to find out it doesn't match up with the navdata and charts at all? A certain runway is missing, or ILS equipment is missing... etc. Just a few examples, Adu Dhabi Intl and KSEA both miss a runway. Kabul Intl misses an ILS frequency, and there are many more. Also on a lot of airports the ILS frequencies are misaligned. I rarely encounter this in the US and in Europe, but in Asia/Middle East/Africa there are loads of these airports where ILS frequencies are just useless because they are so much off. 

This left me wondering, why hasn't there been any add-on that updates the airports to their current states? New runways, new ILS frequencies, changed runway numbers, new terminals, new taxiways...

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This left me wondering, why hasn't there been any add-on that updates the airports to their current states? New runways, new ILS frequencies, changed runway numbers, new terminals, new taxiways...

 

there certainly are... as im sure you will soon find out from those with more accurate info than me!

 

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These updates are usually known as "AFX files" and can be found by the hundreds right here in the file library.

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These updates are usually known as "AFX files" and can be found by the hundreds right here in the file library.

I know that exists, and that is what I sometimes use to update airport sceneries, but you can't know beforehand which airports are outdated and you only find out once you land there. I was just referring to some add-on that does a big overhaul of all the airports all at once.

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Nope it doesn't bother me.  I just remind myself that this is a game and that it's almost an impossible task to keep up with the planets thousands of airports and airstrips and their changes.

 

However, the only way I know to do this is if one in particular is outdated, then check the libraries for possible freeware updates that someone else might have done, OR grab the appropriate tools and try updating it yourself and then offering it up as freeware for others to enjoy, OR look around to see if there is an updated payware version that might fix the issues that is of concern.

 

Sorry but no easy solution on this one.

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I know that exists, and that is what I sometimes use to update airport sceneries, but you can't know beforehand which airports are outdated and you only find out once you land there. I was just referring to some add-on that does a big overhaul of all the airports all at once.

That'd take years to complete...

 

 

It's just easier to add "check for up-to-date AFX files for departure and destination airport" to the preflight preparations. You won't fly to more than 5% of the world's airports anyway, so why bother for an all-in-one solution?

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Hey Arjen!

 

" you can't know beforehand which airports are outdated "  Sure you can - just go there, check it out and edit your docs as needed!

 

It all depends what we want in the sim. If one is flying a "realistic" route in a "realistic" manner, then it would behoove that pilot to ensure he or she has all of the information pertinent to the route alongside him/her - and that includes all of the detail, charts, frequencies, etc., available of that termination airport AND also that of the alternate airport. You would never start an IFR flight in the real world without all of this at hand.

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That'd take years to complete...

 

 

It's just easier to add "check for up-to-date AFX files for departure and destination airport" to the preflight preparations. You won't fly to more than 5% of the world's airports anyway, so why bother for an all-in-one solution?

Exactly. One of the items on my "before starting FSX checklist" is "AFCAD update - checked", and this has been working well.

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Exactly. One of the items on my "before starting FSX checklist" is "AFCAD update - checked", and this has been working well.

Although I'm familiar with installing freeware scenery, I never really looked into AFCAD and what it exactly is. Is it some kind of program that checks whether your scenery is up to date, or is it a program that easily allows you to update sceneries? How do you judge whether your airport scenery is up to date before starting FSX (assuming you have the default scenery)?

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Hey Arjen!

 

" you can't know beforehand which airports are outdated " Sure you can - just go there, check it out and edit your docs as needed!

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I was going to say the same thing. If you're going to fly to an airport you're not sure is up to date, just load the airport with the trike and check it before you go. It should only take a few minutes to check it out. Simple solution really.

 

Or just load the airport up in ADEX and check it there.

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AFCAD was a FS9 utility for sediting airport bgls. now we have this can do quiet a bit with it, and alos if you look here, you will be suprised what you can find. And if you download and install this you can check before you even open your flight sim. There are over 20000 airports in fsx and every one need to be fixed individually it just wont be done.

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..and if some enterprising fellow were to do all of them and charged only $15 a copy - there would be complaints from all quarters.

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It would be indeed nice if there were to be a program that would automatically update airports, in the same fashion as there are tools that update navigational data in flight management computers.  But since there isn't one, we're left with two options:  1. wonder why, and 2. what to instead.  

 

I'm sure there are several reasons why we don't have such program, regardless of the time it would take to produce.  One could be that this airport information is part of the airport scenery.  It would be simpler if the data such as frequencies, gate numbers, runway direction, ILS alignment, were to be stored separate from scenery files.  Perhaps if Microsoft, or someone else, were still actively supporting the product, it would be more likely the data would be closer to current.  What else?

 

Others have already posted what could be done instead.  Best would be to do a quick review of the departure and destination airport before the flight.  With weather data, you can estimate departure and arrival runways, and check that it's all there.  What if it isn't?  I would check if someone already has taken the time to update the airport, download the update, check for currency again, and go fly.  Lastly, I would learn how to update the information myself using available freeware products already mentioned.  This takes time to learn and to do, but it's all proportional with your desire to have currency on your airports.  

 

Have fun.

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Although I'm familiar with installing freeware scenery, I never really looked into AFCAD and what it exactly is. Is it some kind of program that checks whether your scenery is up to date, or is it a program that easily allows you to update sceneries? How do you judge whether your airport scenery is up to date before starting FSX (assuming you have the default scenery)?

I mean the AFCAD files. It's a small file which contains some basic info for an airport, like runways, taxiways, navigation frequencies, etc. It's not as complicated as scenery packages, but I use it just to make sure my airport is up-to-date. In AVSIM library there is a category called AFCAD files. 

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Consider this a heads up for one field, Columbus KCMH just moved its south runway by 700 feet and changed the ILS. Haven't seen a current afcad yet, either.

 

 

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Posts like this baffle me. Unless you are flying on a server like Vatsim, why worry about navdata updates at all?

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Posts like this baffle me. Unless you are flying on a server like Vatsim, why worry about navdata updates at all?

I've never said anything about navdata updates. I was actually referring to the up-to-date charts not matching up with the airports sceneries and their navigational equipment. Just one example is one of my nearby airports EHRD. The ILS 24 used to be 108.3, and the default scenery uses that frequency. A few years ago however, the frequency changed to 110.9. Luckily Aerosoft have released a scenery for this airport, but what if some guy who uses the default scenery came in to land on IVAO with his FMC telling him he should tune to 110.9 while he needs 108.3? EHAM did something similar with with ILS 27. I hear guys on IVAO constantly asking the EHAM controllers about the ILS frequency when 27 is active. Some go around and that makes it all very inconvenient.

 

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http://www.airportdesigneditor.co.uk/index.html

 

I used the above to edit nav frequencies and runways when they changed such as tampa changing runways by one degree due to polar shift. great for customizing your local and fave airports although very slow if you want edit hundreds!

and its all manual of course

 

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