January 11, 201412 yr Ray, that is a pretty thorough outline. There is a power point document that goes thru every specific difference in the Primus 1000 Control Display System in Excel as opposed to XLS. It states it's based on the Primus EPIC as used in the Sovereign where possible. Remind me sometime and I'll try to find a copy for you... B).
January 11, 201412 yr Ray, she IS in the works and we hope to have bit of early show n' tell in the not too distant future.. B) We may even look at releasing the XLS for FS9 if demand is high enough. Finally we are considering possible P3D projects in 2014 as well. B) Oooh, oooh, oooh...count me in on the list of interested FS9'ers, Ron!! Particularly if you're going for a faithful reproduction of the Primus system. So glad you haven't closed the door entirely on the possibility of further development for FS9. I hope others with the means and methods see fit to follow Eaglesoft's example. Cheers, Jeff "For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return." -Leonardo da Vinci (some experts question the attribution, but I'll go with it for now.)
January 11, 201412 yr Oooh, oooh, oooh...count me in on the list of interested FS9'ers, Ron!! Particularly if you're going for a faithful reproduction of the Primus system. So glad you haven't closed the door entirely on the possibility of further development for FS9. I hope others with the means and methods see fit to follow Eaglesoft's example. Cheers, Jeff Jeff, we will offer the XLS for FS9 after the FSX version is released. Frankly the FS9 sector has suffered damage from a business perspective but I still run both FS9 and FSX on the same machine. Time will tell if FS9 development is a viable pursuit but for now we'll do our best to produce for it.
January 12, 201412 yr Ray, she IS in the works and we hope to have bit of early show n' tell in the not too distant future.. B) We may even look at releasing the XLS for FS9 if demand is high enough. Finally we are considering possible P3D projects in 2014 as well. B) I have to admit that after sleeping on this one overnight, I am a bit less enthusiastic today than yesterday. Of course, we should all, well maybe many, should be excited that ESDG is going to build ANY model Citation for FSX in 2014, but it is absolutely amazing how different the XLS+ is when compared to the older XLS. I incorrectly thought the new model was the XLS+ based on the photos and description of the FS9 model at the ESDG website. But alas, Ron says it is not to be, it is the XLS not the updated XLS+ they will be building for FSX and maybe later on for FS9. Differences in the XLS and the XLS+ This was like going from the stone age to the modern 20th century as far as ergonomics in the cockpit was concerned. While it is true the XLS did upgrade the Excel from smallish CRTs to somewhat larger LCD panels but that is just about the extent of the upgrades for the Primus system. Probably due to the rush to mix and match some existing wings and chopping off a Citation III cabin by several feet, borrowing anything that would fit from the sovereign and tweaking the fans in the engines Cessna overlooked to opportunity to really build a "Pilot's Panel" in the XLS. What Cessna could have done was to add a fourth panel for the EICIS and gotten rid of that gosh awful 55 idiot light annunciator panel that took up all the prime heads-up space in the top center of the panel. The fourth panel would then house the a modern crew alerting system that uses plain language messages. Now you have an open spot to place the new digital flight guidance control panel (DFCS) at the top center of the glareshield. Nothing is worse than the haphazard location of all the AP controls at the far back of the center console, except maybe placing the FMS behind the pilots eyeballs and requiring a full heads-down posture for all keyboard inputs and panel readouts. I don't think any pilot was able to actually look at the AP panel, they just had to depend on their Braille training a hope they were flipping the correct switch. Of course the XLS+ corrected all those early layout mistakes and brought the panel up to current thinking in optimum human factors design and layout. The FMS controls keyboard is now angled and moved up and forward for easy viewing and use. And rather than looking or better yet feeling around the pedestal for selecting the guidance modes, assigned altitudes, headings or vertical modes like you are forced to do in the XLS, everything is in one place, well organized and easy to view and use and all in the DFCS heads-up panel in the XLS+. They even fixed the old Rhino nose design that traces it roots to the original Citation so the XLS+ has a more modern shaped nose. I think that came over with the box-load of sovereign design features. Others were updated brakes, seats, headliners, LCD lighting and many more smaller items. Oh! and as standard with all Cessna updates and model changes, the latest one is always a little faster, climbs quicker, flies higher and uses less fuel. I feel better now, but I still wish ESDG would jump over to the PLUS model for FSX. Regards, Ray When Pigs Fly . Ray Marshall .
January 12, 201412 yr Well, I guess we will have to do a bizjet too given all the ruckus... Milviz, Hey, it looks like the Citation XLS+ might be available for you to build a modern FSX corporate jet. Heck, I would be interested in any model you happen to choose as long as it has the Milviz touch. Regards, Ray When Pigs Fly . Ray Marshall .
January 12, 201412 yr Sorry to disappoint Ray, but we'll do the XLS then begin on the next project which is under wraps at the moment. Meantime those who wish to do Cessna products for FS will need to deal with the costs associated with their Licensing Program. I say this because it's not quite as simple to produce these things as folks may think. B)
January 12, 201412 yr Commercial Member I'm getting the feeling that we're treading on Ron's territory but, that said, if he can afford to do the licensing... so can we! We're going to look at this one closely because we do have the PL-21 going into the Avanti and the KA 350i and I am a BIG fan of reusing the tech when I can. Especially if it's good tech made better! Under consideration. No promises. Please contact oisin at milviz dot com for forum registration information. Please provide proof of purchase if you want support. Also, include the username you wish to have.
January 12, 201412 yr Sorry to disappoint Ray, but we'll do the XLS then begin on the next project which is under wraps at the moment. Meantime those who wish to do Cessna products for FS will need to deal with the costs associated with their Licensing Program. I say this because it's not quite as simple to produce these things as folks may think. B) Secret project=Global Expressssss? haha
January 12, 201412 yr I'm getting the feeling that we're treading on Ron's territory but, that said, if he can afford to do the licensing... so can we! We're going to look at this one closely because we do have the PL-21 going into the Avanti and the KA 350i and I am a BIG fan of reusing the tech when I can. Especially if it's good tech made better! Under consideration. No promises. If you can do a biz jet from another manufacturer such as Bombardier or Embraer, that would be great as it would add some variety to the meager bizjet offerings for FSX. That being said, any other bizjet with good systems modeling and Navigraph support automatically gets purchased by me. Any idea when you'll start showing previews of the Avanti? B) Secret project=Global Expressssss? haha Hey, thats my line...... :lol: Chris Magnus HR Manager Air Jamaica Virtual Airlines and Cargo (http://www.airjamaicavirtualairlinesandcargo.org)
January 12, 201412 yr Commercial Member Just an FYI, we have an old school glex xls already modeled and painted. Code was started by a competitor but never finished. We "could" slap the pl-21 in there.. Not accurate but quick... The fusion based system is VERY complex and we'd have to redo the model as well... So that's not going to happen. Please contact oisin at milviz dot com for forum registration information. Please provide proof of purchase if you want support. Also, include the username you wish to have.
January 12, 201412 yr I'm getting the feeling that we're treading on Ron's territory but, that said, if he can afford to do the licensing so can we. Colin, the economics of the licensing program is not the primary consideration. If you've not dealt w/Textron you are in for a treat. B)
January 12, 201412 yr Colin, the economics of the licensing program is not the primary consideration. If you've not dealt w/Textron you are in for a treat. B) Now that they bought Beechcraft, maybe we're lucky the Flight1 KingAir has been finished before that deal...
January 12, 201412 yr Commercial Member That's very helpful Ron. Moving on. Please contact oisin at milviz dot com for forum registration information. Please provide proof of purchase if you want support. Also, include the username you wish to have.
January 12, 201412 yr Now that they bought Beechcraft, maybe we're lucky the Flight1 KingAir has been finished before that deal... F1 already had a deal with them if you recall the Cessna Mustang Corporate Jet. We must get back to work on the XLS. The thread has been interesting though. B) Agreed Colin, way too much time on this already.. B)
January 12, 201412 yr Commercial Member I was being sarcastic Ron. Please contact oisin at milviz dot com for forum registration information. Please provide proof of purchase if you want support. Also, include the username you wish to have.
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