Have anyone ever encounter almost or close to a mid air collision  about 35,000 feet an FSX ATC never warn you about it?  For me it happen today two 737 was heading right at me an the only thing that warn me about it was TCAS. 

I have been hit quite a few times. It's a little anomaly in the VC and then, when you look in spot view you'll see the aircraft crossed over your contrails. ATC is not too good in giving you advance notice. I sometimes get ATC to ask me if I see this 737 at my 2 o'clock and I look around and there's nothing at 2 o'clock but there's one at 7 o'clock. Whoops!

 

Best regards,

Even under ATC control I have had my GA aircraft overtaken and passed in extremely close proximity by tubeliners.  I use Ultimate Traffic 2 and it is creating the traffic.  I can hear them get clearance behind me but they later zoom past.   And often I am in a twin descending at about 130 knots and they seem to pass me like I am sitting still.

Flying the Citation Mustang I could see the face of the two pilots flying a DC-9, no warring....yikes!

 

Cheers

Martin

Several times. It's the reason why I stopped using computer programs as ATC. The purpose of ATC is to maintain separation between aircraft. FSX's ATC programs are not capable of of providing this service, so it's basically a completely pointless "toy" feature. Luckily we got a few alternatives to the ATC programs, with vatsim, ivao and of course all the smaller networks. The experience is so much better in my opinion. It's a great learning experience as well, I thought I knew how to fly before I started flying online. Boy was I wrong! I knew how to operate an FMS, how to handfly approaches etc, but that's almost as easy as operating a mobile phone. It's the other non-flying aspects that are difficult

 

 

FSX's ATC programs are not capable of of providing this service, so it's basically a completely pointless "toy" feature.

 

If you are using a 3rd party traffic program then you must recognize that FSX has no way to address that.  If it were to be addressed it should have been addressed within the 3rd party program, "if possible".  

 

The best native ATC I have experienced in a flight sim was in Flight Assignment: ATP in the early to mid 1990's.  But it factored in little if any traffic.  It certainly did handle the user's aircraft, and to a FS standard that has not yet been exceeded.

I've had some very near misses not only in the air, but also on the ground.  In one instance last week I was taking off from somewhere in Germany and ATC had cleared me to take off from runway 05 (I don't remember the actual runway number, but you get the picture).  So I ease on out to 05 and glance over to my other monitor with Aivlasoft EFB and I see an AI aircraft turning onto the other end at 23.  Let's see, I haven't even taken off yet and ATC is already throwing a Mexican standoff into the works.  Heck with it I said...throttled up to max thrust and away I went.  I only use ATC to give me a departure runway and nothing else. 

I have been hit quite a few times. It's a little anomaly in the VC and then, when you look in spot view you'll see the aircraft crossed over your contrails. ATC is not too good in giving you advance notice. I sometimes get ATC to ask me if I see this 737 at my 2 o'clock and I look around and there's nothing at 2 o'clock but there's one at 7 o'clock. Whoops!

 

Best regards,

Wawo an at what altitude did this happen Jim ?  Also does TCAS ever work for you at that altitude? My TCAS only seem to work when approaching the airport for landing sometimes one aircraft might be in for landing before i do an TCAS warns me about it. 

Several times. It's the reason why I stopped using computer programs as ATC. The purpose of ATC is to maintain separation between aircraft. FSX's ATC programs are not capable of of providing this service, so it's basically a completely pointless "toy" feature. Luckily we got a few alternatives to the ATC programs, with vatsim, ivao and of course all the smaller networks. The experience is so much better in my opinion. It's a great learning experience as well, I thought I knew how to fly before I started flying online. Boy was I wrong! I knew how to operate an FMS, how to handfly approaches etc, but that's almost as easy as operating a mobile phone. It's the other non-flying aspects that are difficult

Yea same here about Online ATC . When i first try VATSIM they spoke to me in aviation language which i understood very well but i didn't know how to answer back correctly lol . Sometimes they spoke to fast an i was like okay how do i say repeat that. I mean i herd this kid online spoke to the ATC Controller normal no aviation language but i guest they said oh well is just a kid. 

 

Anyway i guest TCAS does a little better job than FSX ATC for avoiding Mid Air Collision.  I know this may be a little off topic but have the ATC every ask you to maintain "Zero" on approach for landing? I was about to land on KSTL an  right when i was about to capture the  localizer ATC ask me to maintain Zero an contact the approach controller.

I always see an alert on the... EICAS I believe, warning me that TCAS is off on the 737. Anyone know how to enable?

 

I have come close to aircraft, that I can tell are not 1,000 ft above/below, or, heck, the supposed 2,000 ft separation above FL290.

 

I don't see aircraft come too close for me laterally.

 

As for lining up 5th for takeoff, doesn't seem like ATC cares too much for noise abatement either. <_<

I've had some very near misses not only in the air, but also on the ground.  In one instance last week I was taking off from somewhere in Germany and ATC had cleared me to take off from runway 05 (I don't remember the actual runway number, but you get the picture).  So I ease on out to 05 and glance over to my other monitor with Aivlasoft EFB and I see an AI aircraft turning onto the other end at 23.  Let's see, I haven't even taken off yet and ATC is already throwing a Mexican standoff into the works.  Heck with it I said...throttled up to max thrust and away I went.  I only use ATC to give me a departure runway and nothing else. 

 

I get that a lot but most of the time when coming in for landing an there is an aircraft ahead of me for landing, ATC gives me cleared for landing fallow aircraft on final or off the runway. What i do is some time decrease speed to give a little more time for the other aircraft to clear the runway. I hate to go around specially when you are using FS Captain an you are about 5 minutes late .

I always see an alert on the... EICAS I believe, warning me that TCAS is off on the 737. Anyone know how to enable?

 

I have come close to aircraft, that I can tell are not 1,000 ft above/below, or, heck, the supposed 2,000 ft separation above FL290.

 

I don't see aircraft come too close for me laterally.

 

As for lining up 5th for takeoff, doesn't seem like ATC cares too much for noise abatement either. <_<

Look for TA/RA switch on the radio section, it will be right under the transponder box. Then on your MCP, you will see a big button on the right that says TFC. Engage both and your TCAS is active. 

Even under ATC control I have had my GA aircraft overtaken and passed in extremely close proximity by tubeliners.  I use Ultimate Traffic 2 and it is creating the traffic.  I can hear them get clearance behind me but they later zoom past.   And often I am in a twin descending at about 130 knots and they seem to pass me like I am sitting still.

I am also using Ultimate Traffic 2 so does this mean that FSX ATC doesn't recognize all aircraft in the air  that are process by UT2? Maybe that is why ATC is all crazy all the time giving me clear for landing when there is an aircraft ahead of me also landing at the same runway.

I always see an alert on the... EICAS I believe, warning me that TCAS is off on the 737. Anyone know how to enable?

You can turn it on by turning the switch with 'Test' on it to TA or TA/RA as shown below:

 

 

Wawo an at what altitude did this happen Jim ? Also does TCAS ever work for you at that altitude?

I fly at FL240 most of the time in the 737 or 777. Most of the time I do not turn TCAS on or the transponder as I usually fly w/o ATC. But when I do turn on the transponder, ATC will keep me advised but it's sometimes too late. If I do not have the transponder turned on, ATC can still see me (in FSX) and advises an AI to be on the lookout for my 737 at FL240. TCAS works very well throughout the flight for me when it is turned on and I get many warnings. That will happen if you are on a known SID or STAR as many aircraft travel that same route. It's actually a very neat simulation of the real thing. The reason I do not turn on my transponder is because I do not like the default ATC program. If I do use ATC, it will be with ProATC-X enabled. Then my co-pilot can talk to the controllers while I fly (or attempt to fly).

 

Best regards,

, . If I do use ATC, it will be with ProATC-X enabled. Then my co-pilot can talk to the controllers while I fly (or attempt to fly).
 

 

. The reason I do not turn on my transponder is because I do not like the default ATC program. If I do use ATC, it will be with ProATC-X enabled. Then my co-pilot can talk to the controllers while I fly (or attempt to fly).

Best regards,

Didn't  know that about ProATC X that the Co Pilot talks to the controllers while you fly. I started ignoring FSX ATC lately i can understand why you turn off your transponder now.  

 

 

 

I am also using Ultimate Traffic 2 so does this mean that FSX ATC doesn't recognize all aircraft in the air  that are process by UT2?

 

No.  I wouldn't say that, though I am not sure.  ATC appears to me to communicate with the other aircraft in the pattern.  That is usually how I know they are there in the first place.  On the handful of times when I have been passed like I described above, I had known the aircraft was behind me.  But I certainly did not know it would pass me like that.  I've also been instructed to go around a couple of times when that overtaker airplane lands and hasn't cleared the runway.

FSX ATC is not perfect, but it's still a lot of fun to interact with. For those that think an AI plane overtaking you on final approach makes the ATC worthless, I say.......chill out. It isn't the end of the world, and you aren't flying a real airliner.

 

As for mid air collisions, I haven't had any of those in FSX because I have this feature disabled. However, my Beechjet 400A was taken out quite spectacularly over San Francisco Bay by an AI 777 in Flight Unlimited 3 once. I had just taken off from runway 27L at Oakland International, and turned south over the Bay towards San Jose International. Shortly after I had levelled out, I was issued with a traffic alert, and I had just enough time to look through the right window before the 777 slammed into me!

 

Flight Unlimted 3 simulated aircraft breakups, and it didn't take long for the wreckage to crash down into the water below. The 777 carried on as if nothing had happened :angry:

Encountering another aircraft on the same ILS approach is weird: Both aircraft are slow (even more in relative speed) and pass the same spot at exactly the same altitude - a collision in slow motion.

 

For another crazy AI behaviour, try taking off from a runway that uses backtracking to the T/O end: AI traffic enters the runway and backtracks (towards you!) even though you are about to take off!   :blink: