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I'm not really Black Box's biggest fan, but I always seem to get suckered in...

 

Despite having an unfinished A320 series, an even more unfinished A330 series, they're now announcing a new A340 series.

 

I appreciate 'the buses' share a lot of commonality, but this seems to be a lot on one plate. I'll remain as cautious as possible, but it's still good to see a developer -hopefully- build a semi-serious A340 aircraft.

 

FYI, they have suggested they'll be releasing the -300 and the -600 series so far.

 

https://www.facebook.com/BlackBoxSimulation/photos/a.252918054793600.61620.189473337804739/628314880587247/?type=1&theater

 

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A340-300 with 4 Trent 700's! WOW!!! Haha, just kidding. I have the A330 and I'm very pleased with it so far. The CFM56's in the pic could do with a reduction in size, they're massive! I'm sure they will though before they release anything ;) I like BBS's work so far, and their future only looks brighter. I don't think there's currently any other A330/40 in development, correct me if I'm wrong.

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I don't have any Blackbox planes, but it's sad to hear their others are unfinished.  What I'm really hoping for is once Aerosoft rolls out the A330, they will also decide to make the A340

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Hmm...aside from some Russian Aircraft the A340 is my favourite, won't be touching this unfortunately.  I'll wait until 2016 for the Aerosoft version or 2300 for the FSL version.

I think that the heat death of the universe will have happened before the BBS A330 is completed.

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From BBS:

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A340 "ADDITION"

GUYS .. I am getting a little tired of answering this one.. 
so PLEASE Understand ..

there is "NO NEW PRODUCT" 
and we are "NOT STARTING ON SOMETHING NEW"

The A321 was added to the A320 series as they are very similar and the whole family uses (Almost) the same code ..

The A340 is now being added to the A330 Family for exactly the same reasons.. IT IS NOT A NEW PRODUCT

This additional "modelling" does NOT Take anything away from the systems or gauge improvements and upgrades we have Scheduled for the updates...

BBS Consider these additional (FREE) models as Additional content to existing products and offers exceptional Value for money to our valued customers.

Finally we are not announcing an A380 , A350, A300, A310 or Beluga as these would indeed be "separate and totally new products"

===============================

I am looking forward to the update! :)

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I hope BBS would soon release an update that would improve FBW & flight dynamics. Last time I tried the A330 felt rather unflyable. If that changes I'll definitely consider installing it again. 

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Something that really urks me about the developer is their short temper with their customers.

 

They hint they're going to add the A340, providing no press release or information other than a screenshot and a few scrambled posts / comments on their Facebook page. So when customers then ask if it's a whole new product or whatever, they can some sarcastic and down-right rude reply (see reply #8 to this thread). 

 

I don't understand the hostility towards the people that are purchasing their products.

 

Am I reading too much into it or does anyone else agree?

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anyone else agree

 

In principle i agree with you...but we sometimes see this from other developers as well, this can be driven by the same question being asked ad-nauseum.  Some are better than others, Bryan from FS2Crew is very good, others are much more aloof and protective.

 

In this particular case, it may be that the BBS team are a little annoyed at the press they have been getting for the current range of (semi-completed) products.

 

I think that we can be grateful we have developers who actively engage with us, it doesn't happen in any other computer entertainment (see how i avoided the word ' game') area. 

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In principle i agree with you...but we sometimes see this from other developers as well, this can be driven by the same question being asked ad-nauseum.  Some are better than others, Bryan from FS2Crew is very good, others are much more aloof and protective.

 

In this particular case, it may be that the BBS team are a little annoyed at the press they have been getting for the current range of (semi-completed) products.

 

I think that we can be grateful we have developers who actively engage with us, it doesn't happen in any other computer entertainment (see how i avoided the word ' game') area. 

 

I agree with you wholeheartedly - and I recognize that it's not just BB. As a trainer, I get asked the same questions numerous times, but I think there's a degree of professionalism that needs to be maintained. Although people aren't purchasing products from me, I'm still providing a service.

 

I think the issue I really have with the outburst is the fact BB never did anything to help their own situation. They gave a "hint" of what was to come and expected everyone to know exactly the plans for the release. People may of thought when the A330 was announced, it would be part of the 'package', but as we know it isn't - and in my opinion, a A340 seems different enough to warrant a new 'package.'

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm super excited we're getting a whole new aircraft for free, I'm just criticizing their customer service.

 

After working in the computer game industry for several years, the level of commitment and developer interaction in this environment is amazing - really - but maybe it's getting to the point where us (the consumer) are expecting too much from them. It's a lot for most to juggle - customer feedback, support, development, publishing, etc etc. (off topic, I know, but still relevant). 

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Something that really urks me about the developer is their short temper with their customers.

 

They hint they're going to add the A340, providing no press release or information other than a screenshot and a few scrambled posts / comments on their Facebook page. So when customers then ask if it's a whole new product or whatever, they can some sarcastic and down-right rude reply (see reply #8 to this thread). 

 

I don't understand the hostility towards the people that are purchasing their products.

 

Am I reading too much into it or does anyone else agree?

 

It seems to manifest itself as more of a condescending attitude to customer than a short temper and yes it is annoying,

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I am near completion of my first trans Atlantic flight with the A330 as I type this.  I must say... the FMC is already the most complete airbus one that I have used and the FBW characteristics are great. Very strong managed mode (I have AXE to compare to).  So far the only minus I can tell so far is the eye candy.  The VC is nice... but not on par texture wise with the AXE.  That being said, being that V .80 is right around the corner, I expect even more improvements.

 

As it stands this is already a great payware aircraft... has everything I want... airac can be updated via navigraph, full autoland, strong FMC, good managed mode... and textures will come.  P3D is severely lacking a good wide body, and this one has solved that for me.

 

Regarding the comment about the developer(s) having a bad attitude... these guys respond almost immediately... and I would venture a guess that if any of us were asked the same question 50 times that we would get frustrated.  I have had nothing but good experiences with them.   

 

There is another very well known developer on here that is far, far worse at how they treat their customers.  They get away with murder in terms of dragging their customers through the mud, yet many on here worship the ground they walk on. 

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I must say... the FMC is already the most complete airbus one that I have used and the FBW characteristics are great.

 

Last time I checked the FBW made the aircraft turn extremely slowly, full left/right stick was required for a normal turn. Also stall protections really didn't seem to work properly. 

 

I think the A330 is currently quite unflyable for those who expect any realistic FBW behavior. 

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Last time I checked the FBW made the aircraft turn extremely slowly, full left/right stick was required for a normal turn. Also stall protections really didn't seem to work properly. 

 

I think the A330 is currently quite unflyable for those who expect any realistic FBW behavior. 

 

  I'd venture a guess that most of us have never experienced real FBW, and hence I am unable to comment on how close it is.  Perhaps I am not as picky as other simmers, but so far I have been mostly happy.  The idea here is to realize it is a WIP... and as such it is pretty darn good as of right now, and also allows me to fly long hauls on P3D.  I didn't say it was perfect, but it is far better than what some make it out to be.

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  I'd venture a guess that most of us have never experienced real FBW, and hence I am unable to comment on how close it is.  Perhaps I am not as picky as other simmers, but so far I have been mostly happy.  The idea here is to realize it is a WIP... and as such it is pretty darn good as of right now, and also allows me to fly long hauls on P3D.  I didn't say it was perfect, but it is far better than what some make it out to be.

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being that V .80 is right around the corner, I expect even more improvements.

 

v .80 has been right around the corner for quite some time now. 

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v .80 has been right around the corner for quite some time now. 

 

Every development company of 3rd party aircraft takes a huge amount of time to release updates (based on your sig you are also a PMDG fan, so we both know how the waiting game works).  

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v .80 has been right around the corner for quite some time now. 

 

So has FSLabs - about 4 years at last count.

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Quite true to both respondents, there is however a difference and it is called money. Yes it was released as a prologue and I have no issue with that, but with payment comes a responsibility and Graham unfortunately is not meeting his. His supercilious responses of "soon" to any request for information are both annoying and insulting as is his lack of customer care. 

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Its very flyable, but definitely needs improvements in certain things. Its nice to fly the A330. But even though they are similar, I would have preferred they concentrate on finishing the A330 and then just adding on the A340 later with the completed code. 

 

They said that the V80.0 A330 would be released about 4 weeks after the A320 and here we are way over that. Sure theres delays but its a little annoying. Will have to give them the benefit of the doubt for now, and hope that sooner really does mean within the next week or so. Perhaps it will be worth it, especially for finally having a heavy in p3d.

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So has FSLabs - about 4 years at last count.

 

The FSLabs I believe will certainly be worth the wait though. Judging on the feature list and it's depth based on comments on their forum; their product should easily surpass in terms of realism any aircraft ever made for FS.

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