Ans. - Pretending to be something other than what you are.

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If you are planning to rob a bank, you don't buy a used car and register it with the authorities for the occasion - much safer to steal one.

january

Not quite sure if you have thought that through how on earth does that relate to MH370

 

If we did try to compare the two it would be like saying 'I won't purchase a car for the robbery since I may be traced, a better idea would be to steal a public bus with all the passengers!

 

If the plan was to steal the aircraft with the intent of striking a major target I doubt very much that they care about being traced after the event. History has shown us the terrorists want the world to know they are responsible for the event.

 

I don't think you would make a very good criminal mastermind obviously not a bad thing!

 

Once again, why go through the huge risk of being caught when you can use your own aircraft in a surprise attack?

Most world banks have to report any cash withdrawal over $10,000.

 Assuming your favorite used airplane salesman has agreed to sell a flyable T7 for say 100 million $US, (new T7s  are $200,000,000 and up), he probably will request cash !!!!

Wikipedia says that amount in US $100 bills will fill about 40 average size briefcases!

Cash creates its own logistical problems, let alone enquiries from Interpol.

january

 

 

Most world banks have to report any cash withdrawal over $10,000.

 

The whole plan of hijacking & hiding a 777 would require you to have some government support, I don't think it would be any difficult to obtain plenty of money with right government contacts. 

Pakistan or Malaysia, in a hangar.  How many people would know a 727 from a 777 outside of our little "circle of friends" if it landed somewhere with only a few locals, especially if you control the aerodrome?

How can anyone above the age of 3 disagree with that? It still doesn't mean I believe every crazy baseless  theory posted on Youtube.

You appear to be on a mission to attack anyone with a different opinion to your own.  I don't ask you to believe anything I say but like you, am entitled to mine. 

You appear to be on a mission to attack anyone with a different opinion to your own.  I don't ask you to believe anything I say but like you, am entitled to mine. 

 

Calm down mate, I am not attacking anyone.  You have every right to believe little green men beamed them up if you so choose.  It makes no difference to me or those searching the depths of the Indian ocean.  

 

Note most of my posts have smileys in them. I am genuinely curious about the thought process of a conspiracy theorist.

 

Believe what you want to believe,  just don't expect people not to question those beliefs.

 

Btw, just wondering what your take is on the aircraft sending a data burst at 00:19 UTC?  That burst was confirmed to be an automated log on after power interruption, suggesting an engine flame out.. Or did you choose to ignore that bit of information?

 

 

Pakistan or Malaysia, in a hangar.  How many people would know a 727 from a 777 outside of our little "circle of friends" if it landed somewhere with only a few locals, especially if you control the aerodrome?

 

Airports capable of handling a 777 in a way that would keep it flyable simply aren't built in middle of nothing with just few locals around and no government activity. 

Airports capable of handling a 777 in a way that would keep it flyable simply aren't built in middle of nothing with just few locals around and no government activity. 

 

In the interest of talking about both sides of the argument, I will grant you that it may have crashed in the Indian Ocean.  Regardless of anyone's opinions, we should not forget that there is a loss of life involved, and regardless of what happened, I hope for the sake of all involved that it was over very quick. 

 

However, you assume that I'm talking about a ragtag bunch of extremists that might be responsible for any type of terrorist or hijack scenario. I think not.  Pakistan knowingly harbored OBL.  I can think of at least five major nations that would/could do or support this scenario and would harbor the aircraft and the perpetrators.  And... wait for it...

 

They have the facilities.

 

Why?

 

Posters have said "get an airliner wreck."  No, you can't unless you buy it illegally.  Otherwise, we would immediately know about it because of our antiterrorist spending monitoring efforts.  You spend $10K or so, we know about it.

 

So, here you have a next-gen technology aircraft, long range, lots of power, but to what end?

 

If you want to carry lots of people or stuff around in a re-marqued aircraft that flies air cargo or marked as a private aircraft, who would know?  Really, if done professionally, who would know?

 

And you may say I've read too many thrillers. Who would have dreamed that Saddam Hussein would have buried four squadrons of MiGs in the desert to avoid being taken out by us - AND WE NEVER SAW THAT UNTIL WE WALKED UP TO THEM...  Sorry, emphasizing a point, not shouting.

 

Like many members here, I've been many places in the world.  I've seen many things.  A 12,000 ft runway in the desert without markings camoflagued from the air - been on it.  A 10,000 ft runway carved out of the jungle, covered with camo and next to invisible from the air except in IR, been on that too.  Both belonged to other nations.  Both were in range of this aircraft in question.

 

"But to what exact end?" you ask.

 

I don't know.  But, the thing that bothers me the most is not crashing it into someplace.  The think I worry about is a rogue nuke in this aircraft, deliverable to anywhere in the world.  15 years ago, I would have never considered this possible.  Now?  Absolutely. 

 

That's why it is imperative that we locate this aircraft or wreckage by any means necessary.  In the ocean or on land, don't care.  We as a world community need to find it.

Nice post, although I am still quite bemused at the fact that some would think an organization capable of sourcing a 'rouge nuke' on the black market is not capable of doing the same with an aircraft. 

 

Anyway, Kattz, since G7SUL seems to have gone quiet, what is your take on that final automated power up ping? Specifically to the fact that it suggests flame out and RAT deployment?

 

 

I can think of at least five major nations that would/could do or support this scenario and would harbor the aircraft and the perpetrators.  And... wait for it...

 

Posters have said "get an airliner wreck."  No, you can't unless you buy it illegally.  Otherwise, we would immediately know about it because of our antiterrorist spending monitoring efforts.  You spend $10K or so, we know about it.

 

Any nation guilty of harboring terrorists who committed an attack of this scale would be seen actually participating in the attack. Do you think for example Pakistani government couldn't legally buy an airliner wreck if they wanted Of course they can. I'm not all that convinced sales of used aircraft are that well monitored, there are loads of wrecks lying around all around the world, wrecks that could be made somewhat flyable with a bit of effort and spare parts. 

 

 

 

I don't know.  But, the thing that bothers me the most is not crashing it into someplace.  The think I worry about is a rogue nuke in this aircraft, deliverable to anywhere in the world.  15 years ago, I would have never considered this possible.  Now?  Absolutely. 

 

If you are capable of obtaining a rogue nuke I doubt transporting it to the target location through traditional methods would be an issue. 

 

 

Anyway, Kattz, since G7SUL seems to have gone quiet, what is your take on that final automated power up ping? Specifically to the fact that it suggests flame out and RAT deployment?

I resent your insults  as i do not LIVE on here.  Further, if your going to use my registered name instead of my real name, at least try and get it right eh?

I resent your insults  as i do not LIVE on here.  Further, if your going to use my registered name instead of my real name, at least try and get it right eh?

Insult? what are you talking about? And I was typing on my Phone as I always do, I cant even see your name on my Phone.

 

Sorry GSL  :rolleyes:    I guess no comment on the final ping eh?

Come on guys. Take it easy. Lets not get into a personality war over this issue.

 

Try to think how your words sound before you hit the post button. Read what you type and try to keep your emotions out of your responses.

 

You've all made some very interesting comments which I've enjoyed reading.

 

But as with all topics such as this they can become very controversial.

@FScamp:

 

I appreciate your point of view.  If they find this jet in the water, I'll be very pleased to publicly admit that "I'm very glad I was wrong." 

 

@FLEX1978:

 

I don't know what to make of that final ping.  I accept that your idea is possible, and again, I sincerely hope this aircraft is somewhere in a non-flyable (read that as completely destroyed) condition.

 

Regarding a rogue nuke, let's not assume a black market or stolen device.  Let's assume a weapon that has been freely given to some organization or nation/state, or developed by a state that is hostile.  Not all scenarios are necessarily hostile to the West, and let's not assume just radical jihadists. 

 

Nukes are not necessarly large weapons.  A 15 KT tactical nuclear device would fit in an area that a box of copy paper would encompass.  Again, speaking from actual experience.

 

Stealing this aircraft for some purpose is possible if well planned.  The only reason I hang on to this theory is that there's just too many sources that are nuclear powers now that MAY not have positive control of their weapons.

 

Why an airliner?  We can track a ballistic missle launched from anywhere in the world.  Even an in-theatre intended weapon.  Read that as "short range".  That can be traced to its origin.  Read that as source or sponsor of the attack.

 

One would find it difficult get a nuke into the US without detection through the ports.  But an airliner?  It could get to anywhere, and back-tracking the flight path to the origination point could be very difficult indeed, especially if there were a few stops in between.  Think of it as an "anonymous" weapon.  This is an easily possible scenario.

 

I don't want it to be true, not one bit.  I am not sitting in some underground bunker preparing for the end of the world, nor am I dreaming of conspiracies in my idle time.  I am simply hypothesizing what is quite possible based on real-world knowledge and experience. 

This has just been reported....a couple on their yacht saw a large long jetliner on fire on the night MAS370 disappeared.

 

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