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Any Developer interest in the new HondaJet?

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I bet we will be seeing and reading a lot about these new little Personal Jets in the next few years. I sure would like to see one of our high end Developers take an interest for FSX/P3D. Maybe Milviz or Flight1. Anyone think RealAir should jump into the Jet market?

 

I guess Flight1 has a leg up with their new GTN series. The HondaJet has the Garmin 3000 panel that uses two redirected GTN750 for the touch screens.

 

Regards,

Ray

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I downloaded a freeware one from the library a couple of years ago.

Cute little aircraft.

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I downloaded a freeware one from the library a couple of years ago.

Cute little aircraft.

I went looking for a download file for FSX but came up empty. Anyone have a file name or dl link? Thanks.

 

Ray

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I went looking for a download file for FSX but came up empty. Anyone have a file name or dl link? Thanks.

 

Ray

It is over at flightsim com.

 

hondafsx.zip

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It is over at flightsim com.

 

hondafsx.zip

Thanks Dave, I have the Blue HJ installed and flying. He did a nice job. 7 years old and it looks just like what the plant is building today. Exact same paint scheme. I added some updated avionics and now having some fun with a new plane.

 

Thanks again for the HU and link.

 

Regards,

 

Ray

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Ray,

I agree it would be great to have a really good rendition of the HondaJet in FSX/P3D

In fact any well done complex buisness Jet would be welcome just now.

 

However we will probably just get more Cessna's followed by some more Cessna's just in case we have not got enough of them yet.

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Given what Textron is charging for a license, that appears now to be a highly unlikely scenario.

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Given what Textron is charging for a license

 

Bill, what is Textron charging for a licence ?

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I read somewhere that Honda are not interested in allowing anyone  to produce a FSX add on of their aircraft,something about protecting copy write of designs,it seemed to me there lawyer were instructed to stop any attempt,this information really disappointed me as I have posted that Milviz should produce it ,Milviz have said no way!,maybe they know more than we do

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Sounds like we are going to have to update the panel of the freeware version if we are going to fly Honda. Something along the lines of the Flight1 G1000 with a couple of GTN touch screens might have to do for the G3000. The freeware seems to fly well enough, it just needs to be modernized from 2007.

 

Regards,

 

Ray

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And still we have this response from the developers along the lines of "if you could only see what they want for a licence"

But we never actually discover exactly what that price is.

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And still we have this response from the developers along the lines of "if you could only see what they want for a licence"

But we never actually discover exactly what that price is.

It would be difficult to provide exact figures, since I don't pay the bills. However consider this as representative of the terms demanded:

  1. Fixed dollar amount every quarter regardless of actual sales (or lack of same)
  2. Fixed percentage every quarter of all sales
  3. One million dollar liability policy with the licensing agency and their clients as the beneficiaries.

The first item guarantees income every quarter no matter what.

 

The second item is a percentage of gross (not net!) sales, which can be as much as 35%...

 

The final item protects the agency and their client from any potential lawsuits, while providing no protection whatsoever for the developer.

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Thanks for that Bill, I have always been curious as to the amounts charged but those figures would really kill any hope of a profit for a developer.

I cannot begin to imagine the amount of money Captain Sim is paying to Boeing for all those 707,727,737,767,777 that they have modeled and sold, fair play to them that they can still deliver a 777 for $40.

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Thanks Dave, I have the Blue HJ installed and flying. He did a nice job. 7 years old and it looks just like what the plant is building today. Exact same paint scheme. I added some updated avionics and now having some fun with a new plane.Thanks again for the HU and link.Regards,Ray

I couldn't get the sound going...or get rid of the PIC/FO models....any tips?

 

Wouldn't an HD VC be nice?...maybe some ModelConverterX tweaks?

 

Playing devils advocate it with myself,

 

Ironically, the design is so smooth that even a 4K HD representation of the cockpit, and cabin, might be seen as Faux...even though that's precisely what the real deal looks like. It is a minimalist design, no frills, super clean, flowing, and functional, Asimo-like, no folds or unnecessary edges or even visible screwheads.

 

This should be an elevated project...especially by dint of the design and Stable, not only in terms of the texture, but the flight model as well.

 

Chas

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I sure wish we could build a fire under one of our developers for this one. Here is what I put in the Carenado Phenom 300 review that I just uploaded for publishing this morning:

 

A simple suggestion to any business jet developer for FSX FSX:SE and P3D.

 

Go out an find yourself a young whipper-snapper coder that can build you a working simulation of the G3000. Yea, I know it hasn’t been done yet, but, that may be the perfect reason to do it. Now ask yourself, what hot smoking business jet would I put this ‘touch screen G3000 simulation’ in?

 

Let me help you out there, how about a:

 

Phenom 300 w/Touch G3000,

HondaJet w/Touch G3000,

Cessna CJ3+ w/Touch G3000

Cessna M2 w/Touch G3000,

Cessna Latitude w/Touch G3000

 

Are you starting to get the picture?

 

The Garmin G3000 is the replacement for the G1000 in Part 23 turbine aircraft. The G3000 Touch promises to be one of the simplest, most intuitive electronic flight deck systems ever designed and don’t give us that crap that it is too complicated – ask Flight1 how they managed to build the GTN 650/750 series Garmins for simulation.

 

I guess you all know that the newest Phenom 300 coming off the assembly lines in Melbourne, FL is the first business jet to have the G3000 Touch installed during production – they call it the Prodigy 3000 Touch. I predict it will only be a few short months until we will be seeing full retrofits in the existing fleet of Phenom 300s with Prodigy 300 panels. If you can spend $8 million, you can spend $9 million and have the latest panel and a little pocket change.

 

I wonder if I should give Jim Rhoads a heads up on this? I bet Flight1 could knock out those two Touch Screens to interface with a G1000 on steroids. Maybe we could call it a G2950 Touch – for simulation only. (just short of the G3000)

 

I was reading the news release just last night that Textron has shut down production of the CJ2+, but for a cool $1 Million and change they will rip out the Proline 21 and replace it with a full cockpit upgrade to the Cessna version of the Garmin G3000. Not sure about the Touch screens in this one, but would guess everyone will want them.

 

Regards,

 

Ray

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The Garmin G3000 Trainer is $79 for starters.. and then you need to build the interface to FSX/P3D along with the inevitable support effort..

 

Could end up being an expensive addon  :wink:

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The Garmin G3000 Trainer is $79 for starters.. and then you need to build the interface to FSX/P3D along with the inevitable support effort..

 

Could end up being an expensive addon  :wink:

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But, a lot cheaper than anything else with all the features.

 

Ray

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For your idea to work you would have to get Garmin aboard, if they would be interested to partner with somebody from the FSX/P3D world, so far as I heard they don't seem very interested. I am using Garmin G1000 trainer at home, there is nothing on the FSX/P3D platform that can touch realism of the trainer for which I paid only $35 (with shipping). For my own needs I would simply like to have G1000 trainer enhanced with good flight modelling of Cirrus aircraft - I would already be in heaven, I don't care for all the visuals of FSX/P3D anyway, I want to practice instrument procedures but having a decent flight model would add to the realism of the trainer. 

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For your idea to work you would have to get Garmin aboard, if they would be interested to partner with somebody from the FSX/P3D world, so far as I heard they don't seem very interested. I am using Garmin G1000 trainer at home, there is nothing on the FSX/P3D platform that can touch realism of the trainer for which I paid only $35 (with shipping). For my own needs I would simply like to have G1000 trainer enhanced with good flight modelling of Cirrus aircraft - I would already be in heaven, I don't care for all the visuals of FSX/P3D anyway, I want to practice instrument procedures but having a decent flight model would add to the realism of the trainer.

The Garmin G1000 trainer has been free (cd version) for several years now and I suspect the G3000 trainer will also be a free download item one day. We don't need Garmin 'onboard' to any greater extent than they were with the GNS packages for the last 10 years or so and the same for the Flight1 GTN packages that access the GTN650/750 trainers, also a free download from Garmin.

 

Like most everything worthwhile, it starts with an idea, a suggestion, and after all the grumbling and naysayer fall by the wayside, we have a new product.

 

Regards,

 

Ray

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The Garmin G1000 trainer has been free (cd version) for several years now

I don't see anything 'free' of this kind on Garmin site. The sell their CDs for $25 plus shipping.

 

 

GTN packages that access the GTN650/750 trainers,

Perhaps this is true about the GTN trainers, never used them, I don't know. I imagine if this was also true about G1000 we would have by now sim packages accessing G1000 trainers - as far as I know all G1000 available on FSX are reverse engineered versions of G1000, they aren't 'true' G1000. 

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I don't see anything 'free' of this kind on Garmin site. The sell their CDs for $25 plus shipping.

 

 

Perhaps this is true about the GTN trainers, never used them, I don't know. I imagine if this was also true about G1000 we would have by now sim packages accessing G1000 trainers - as far as I know all G1000 available on FSX are reverse engineered versions of G1000, they aren't 'true' G1000.

Garmin would probably be hard put to come up with a 'true' G1000. Truth is, there are many, many true G1000 and all have differences from the others. Airplane manufacturers like to be able to market something 'special' for their version.

 

When I was flying C182 for the Civil Air Patrol, we had 3 different versions (editions) of the G1000, depending on the year of manufacture of the airplane by Cessna. The CAP got about a 100 planes a year for about 4 or 5 years and we had continuous training for the G1000. I flew an SR22 Turbo with a totally different G1000 but had no trouble figuring it out just a little too much fumbling around.

 

One of the major differences in the G1000s has to be the Engine monitoring sections and the Communications section for the various airplanes and engine combinations. This would mostly be in the MDF but in the Reversion mode it would also affect the PFD.

 

As for the free G1000 trainer cd, try any Garmin dealer, or most any Avionics shop. I doubt any of them are willing to pick up the tab for the postage and handling for a total stranger with no hint of future business.

 

Regards,

 

Ray

In Honda Red...

 

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Looks nice in Red. and blue, and yellow and green and . .

 

Regards,

 

Ray

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Truth is, there are many, many true G1000 and all have differences from the others.

By 'true' I meant genuine Garmin software, I am aware there are multiple software versions, I even have multiple versions for the same Cirrus (the latest have holds, some don't, other diffs, etc.).

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