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Absence of callouts in Southwest paint for the 800

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Hey.

I've had the 737 800/900 for awhile and it's by far one of the best planes in my hanger. My dad is also a pilot for Southwest, so we of course got the Southwest repaint. 

Upon approach, we were confused to not hear the 2,500, 1,000, 500, etc.. callouts. He says that all the 737s operated by Southwest have these callouts. 

 

So why does American or Delta have these callouts and Southwest doesn't?

-Mac

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So why does American or Delta have these callouts and Southwest doesn't?

 

It conflicts with the data PMDG had at release, I guess.

 

They can easily be enabled via the PMDG Setup > menus, as instructed by the intro manual.  These settings will be saved automatically.

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Do they? I could have sworn I saw videos on YouTube a while ago where the non-flying pilot made the callouts manually, but that was years ago, so possible that something changed?

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Southwest Airlines does not use call outs. Pilot not flying makes the announcements. I fly nothing but Southwest in the 737 and turn on the announcements since, unless I'm sharing the cockpit, in which case I turn them off, I wouldn't have the PNF to call them out.

 

Will

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Southwest Airlines does not use call outs. Pilot not flying makes the announcements. I fly nothing but Southwest in the 737 and turn on the announcements since, unless I'm sharing the cockpit, in which case I turn them off, I wouldn't have the PNF to call them out.

 

Will

Okay, that's what I thought.

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Makes sense too, I heard that SWA policy is to disallow A/T on approach. The reason is to ensure PF is in the "loop" by having hands-on the throttles and not relying on automatics. Having PNF make the callouts keeps him/her in the loop as well. Interesting.

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I have sat in the jumpseat on numerous SWA flights both in the NG's and classics and have noticed this as well.  The PNF makes these callouts based upon the radio altimeter I believe.  Really different as every other airline that operate 737's uses the mechanical voice for these call outs including mine.   

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As Mac said, his father is a pilot for SW and I would guess that he knows what he is talking about.

 

FWIW here is a cockpit video of a SW landing, where the callouts can be heard loud and clear:

 

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Sadly this isn't Southwest as they don't fly to Rome nor have I seen a Ryan air in the states.

 

Its all in the comments on youtube.

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Does SW have full CATIII autoland capacity?

 

No.  That's why they have the HUD, actually:

Hand flown CAT-III approaches.  Cuts down on the cost to certify the crews, instead of maintain an autopilot to the standards/checks required of autoland.

 

Also: It's just autoland.  CAT-III is only incidental to the concept.  It's like saying "Highway Cruise Control."  Sure, 99% of the time you're using cruise control is on a highway, but it can technically be used elsewhere.

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It's possible that at the time the configuration was provided to PMDG Southwest did not have the callouts and have since started using them and the livery has not been updated.  

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Yes southwest possible has updated their software/pin configuration to enable the callouts. Just like united Airlines, pmdg has the side/side display configuration but apparently United is now converting them to full pfd ND configuration.

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but apparently United is now converting them to full pfd ND configuration.

 

Yes...thankfully. The side-by-side is so incredibly hideous...

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Yes...thankfully. The side-by-side is so incredibly hideous...

It's impressive looking with all of its complexity. Several times I have started out at the gate with it but by the time if have reached the runway I have switched to more conventional layout.

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Yes, United does have different cockpit setups for different planes. The newer ones have full PFD and ND configurations. I thought GPWS callouts were  to be turned on or off at pilots discretion?

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Yes, United does have different cockpit setups for different planes. The newer ones have full PFD and ND configurations. I thought GPWS callouts were to be turned on or off at pilots discretion?

That's not controlled by the pilot. That's something that's decided from on high.

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It's possible that at the time the configuration was provided to PMDG Southwest did not have the callouts and have since started using them and the livery has not been updated.  

Sure. That's why I said unless things have changed, I didn't remember them using them. If they changed anything, I obviously wasn't aware of it.

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Yes...thankfully. The side-by-side is so incredibly hideous...

Funny you say that - I actually prefer the efis/map layout. I think my virtual scan is stuck on the '6-pack' setting.

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That's kinda dated though.. They have ditched the side by side, and use the over/under now.

Most all videos I've seen of their landings had the PNF doing the callouts.

But...

I have seen one video of a SWA 737 that did have the callouts from the plane. But it was a 300,

and I think a fluke of sorts.. That's the only one I've ever seen where the PNF wasn't doing it.

Also, they only call out 50, 30, and 10 when landing. They skip 40 and 20 at SWA..

 

I could tell the video above wasn't SWA without even watching.. They use the analog backups, not the integrated backup..  They also don't use the range rings on the ND.

 

I use the 2,500, 1,000, 500, 400, 300, 200, 100, 50,30,10 callouts on mine being as I

have no PNF to do it..  :/

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I have seen one video of a SWA 737 that did have the callouts from the plane. But it was a 300,

and I think a fluke of sorts.. That's the only one I've ever seen where the PNF wasn't doing it.

Also, they only call out 50, 30, and 10 when landing. They skip 40 and 20 at SWA..

It probably wasn't a fluke, judging by the link that Gabe posted, the changes are being made to both the NG series and the -300.

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