October 23, 201411 yr Please leave the policing to the mods The things that should be said to you. I can't imagine what being around you IRL must be like. I'll leave it there. You're so helpful. Thanks for your addition to this thread... Things catch up very quickly to those types of people. Thanks for everything Kyle. David Graham Google, Network+, Cisco CSE, Cisco Unity Support Specialist, A+, CCNA
October 23, 201411 yr I still fail to see why people expect it to be a free upgrade? Honestly, enlighten me. Let's just recap this little part. In contrary to what a lot of people think, you did not buy the software itself. You payed for a license to use the software within the bounds of the EULA. One of those bounds is the fact that you're only allowed to run it within FSX. This was clearly stated on the product page when you bought the software, no promise or even hint to a free expansion to P3D was mentioned. With that in mind... Enlighten me. It's simple really. People expect it to be a free upgrade because that is the experience they probably had with a lot of other companies. Majestic did a free "upgrade", ORBX also, Aerosoft, Active Sky, and a lot others. The argument of respecting the EULA is valid, no doubt about it, but I don't think all these companies are doing something illegal or something that goes against their licenses and permissions. In the end of the day, offering a free upgrade or not is a decision the company must make. PMDG could offer it, but they chose not to, like A2A chose not to, and that is perfectly ok, they are the only ones that must decide how to run their business. If you don't agree, well it's simple really, don't buy it. There are other fantastic planes out there Cheers!
October 24, 201411 yr Commercial Member ORBX also, [...] Active Sky, ORBX can do this without much risk, depending on their data source. In the United States, a lot of government data is in the public domain, so you're free to use it for profit. As for Active Sky, it's safe to say that you don't need a license from Mother Nature to come up with models to model and predict her behaviour, so there isn't much of an issue there, either. ...and this is the crux of the issue: too many people don't see the challenges and unique aspects of everything going on here. Developers are allowed to make money off of their developments that simulate real airplanes because the real entity allows it. Ever wonder why there aren't any payware Gulfstreams in FSX or P3D? Gulfstream doesn't allow it. They rather aggressively don't allow it, actually. Same goes for the difference between FSX and P3D. If a company wants to treat a commercial license and an entertainment license as the same, then so be it. deHavilland might do just that. I know for a fact that Boeing does not, however, and for this reason, you'd be putting your company at risk by offering your product on a commercial platform on an entertainment license. This is often the reason you're met with different prices and entirely separate licenses between the platforms. but I don't think all these companies are doing something illegal or something that goes against their licenses and permissions. Depends on the company and their agreement. Some of the real world entities are catching on to what's going on in the sim world with their data, and the results may not be very pretty. Kyle Rodgers
October 24, 201411 yr Please leave the policing to the mods Please sign your full name as per the forum rules
October 24, 201411 yr Please leave the policing to the mods What you say is correct, but since you have posted in the pmdg general forum, maybe you need to read the rules that require you to sign your full name. I7-8700k,Corsair h1101 cooler ,Asus Strix Gaming Intel Z370 S11 motherboard, Corsair 32gb ramDD4,, gtx 1080ti Card, RM850 power supply Peter kelberg
October 24, 201411 yr The things that should be said to you. I can't imagine what being around you IRL must be like. I'll leave it there. Things catch up very quickly to those types of people. Thanks for everything Kyle. Why are you thanking Kyle for everything in this thread? Why are you so upset that he has been offended and why do you feel the need to chime in when I wasn't talking to you? What do you mean by 'Things catch up very quickly to those types of people'? Are you threatening me? One of the main reasons I only read these forums and not participate is because of this 'sheep' culture. Frankly it is so obvious and so pathetic and it makes me generally a 'read only' member
October 24, 201411 yr Frankly it is so obvious and so pathetic and it makes me generally a 'read only' member So what your saying is disregard the rules set by pmdg than, which are clearly stated I7-8700k,Corsair h1101 cooler ,Asus Strix Gaming Intel Z370 S11 motherboard, Corsair 32gb ramDD4,, gtx 1080ti Card, RM850 power supply Peter kelberg
October 24, 201411 yr Why are you thanking Kyle for everything in this thread? Why are you so upset that he has been offended and why do you feel the need to chime in when I wasn't talking to you? What do you mean by 'Things catch up very quickly to those types of people'? Are you threatening me? One of the main reasons I only read these forums and not participate is because of this 'sheep' culture. Frankly it is so obvious and so pathetic and it makes me generally a 'read only' member Ok, tough guy. Get off your high horse. Everyone else is wrong and you're right. You posted in these forums, therefore you are talking to everyone. Sign your full name per the forum rules. David Graham Google, Network+, Cisco CSE, Cisco Unity Support Specialist, A+, CCNA
October 24, 201411 yr 'read only' member With your mindset.... Please keep doing just that. Thank you! Name available upon request
October 24, 201411 yr Ok, tough guy. Why am I tough? Am I physically big and strong or do I have a tough mental attitude? What? Please explain as I don't see why I am tough nor what I have wrote to give that impression? You didn't answer my questions. With your mindset.... Please keep doing just that. Thank you! I will, thanks. With the replies to myself based on one sentence that I wrote it justifies even more to myself exactly why I do just that. Please put your pitchforks away.
October 24, 201411 yr Why am I tough? Am I physically big and strong or do I have a tough mental attitude? What? Please explain as I don't see why I am tough nor what I have wrote to give that impression? I am ending this here. David Graham Google, Network+, Cisco CSE, Cisco Unity Support Specialist, A+, CCNA
October 24, 201411 yr I am ending this here. Well done :Applause: Least most of us that post in here follow the rules I7-8700k,Corsair h1101 cooler ,Asus Strix Gaming Intel Z370 S11 motherboard, Corsair 32gb ramDD4,, gtx 1080ti Card, RM850 power supply Peter kelberg
October 24, 201411 yr Awsome that its finally up. Maybe we can expect the NGX also soon? Brynjar Mauseth
October 24, 201411 yr That would be the end of FSX for me in that case. Jude BradleyBeech Baron: Uh, Tower, verify you want me to taxi in front of the 747?ATC: Yeah, it's OK. He's not hungry. X-Plane 12 and MSFS2020 🙂 System specs: Windows 11 Pro 64-bit, Ubuntu Linux 20.04 i7-13700KF Gigabyte Z790 RTX-4060-Ti , 32GB RAM 1X 2TB M2 for X-Plane 12, 1x256GB SSD for OS. 1TB drive MSFS2020
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