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25OCT14 - First Glance at PMDG 777-200 for Prepar3D

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It certainly is, the EULA has not been adjusted (on that subject) since release, as far as I know.

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Isn't it a license violation to fly the NGX in P3D? Or has this been changed?

 

It is. Very much so. This has not been changed.

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I couldn't think of a better time for this development to be in process as I work towards building a new machine. I've read (and mostly do more than post...) this entire thread and I'm not surprised by some of the replies, but for the most part, I share the same feelings with those that are happy to hear of this expansion in PMDG's implementation. I try to always be one who objectively reviews a matter before really speaking on it with certainty, but this one time I'll pardon myself... I think for me, one of the key reasons why I look forward to transitioning to P3D is not because of the pretty pictures (although that is a plus) but rather because of support. And while I haven't used or delved into it, I can't tell you how relieved I am to know I'm going to be able to experience one, if not the best, collection of addons in a new, stable, and supported environment. When I first started purchasing PMDG software, I was blown away by the realism but also completely intimidated. And adding FSX errors and other complex issues didn't help to spur my excitement... It felt like a lot to take on and in. With this being said, I know there will be many challenges ahead for not just the developer community, but the overall FSX community that may be making the transition to P3D, but I remain optimistic about the future of our great hobby OR for some, resource for learning and preparation as "newer" simmers join us.

 

I apologize for the long post, but I do want to thank the dev team and the senior members at PMDG for taking this leap forward. I could only imagine how risky, frustrating at times, and downright frightening this may be for you all, but take it from a consumer that your decision to integrate into these newer simulation environments is really adding a new ethos to your consumer's pride in being a PMDG patron. 

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I apologize for the long post,

 

Hi Caleb, never apologise mate - it was very nice to read!   I think you echo a lot of what we all feel.   Although I won't be transitioning to P3D anytime soon, even though I do qualify in terms of their license requirements, my system just isn't up to it and I cannot see myself spending that much money on a new machine anytime soon.   I have other real life commitments which I need to take care of at the moment - that and the fact that the old FSX platform works for me without any glitches and I am totally satisfied with it, although I know that a lot of others are not that lucky and content!

 

I have experienced P3D through a friend's computer and I have to say, it blew me away!   The graphics and the environment is fantastic, but he runs a similar pc to mine, more specifically exactly the same graphics card, which is a GeForce 480 GTX and for anything more than the stock aircraft, you will battle for fps a little bit.   P3D certainly is a different beast!

 

Definitely something to look forward to for the future but for now, I am hanging back just a bit.

 

Kind regards

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It is. Very much so. This has not been changed.

 

Gents-

 

It is a very serious license violation.  So much so, that our licensing partners have questioned whether we are acting agressively enough to protect their interest in the equation- and this has essentially put forward motion toward the P3D platform on hold.

 

We have had to take action against a few folks who were violating the license agreement- and unfortunately we are spending a rather tidy sum in the "Legal" expense account handling a bunch more.

 

Leave it to a few to kill the fun for everyone except the lawyers... 

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Gents-

and this has essentially put forward motion toward the P3D platform on hold.

 

So does this mean you are not going to make Prepar3D PMDG products now ? would be nice to know one way or the other - thank you

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So does this mean you are not going to make Prepar3D PMDG products now ? would be nice to know one way or the other - thank you

 

"On hold" is pretty clear, honestly. Getting the ATC instruction to "hold short" doesn't mean a takeoff clearance won't follow. It just means that the takeoff clearance isn't happening right now.

 

If it were abandoned, you'd see it as a sticky just like all of the other news.

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"On hold" is pretty clear, honestly. Getting the ATC instruction to "hold short" doesn't mean a takeoff clearance won't follow. It just means that the takeoff clearance isn't happening right now.

 

If it were abandoned, you'd see it as a sticky just like all of the other news.

 

Thanks Kyle but waiting another year or two is not something I am looking forward to

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Thanks Kyle but waiting another year or two is not something I am looking forward to

 

I don't think anyone would be looking forward to that, honestly.

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So any release for p3d is not going to happen soon?

 

 

It depends ...

 

Do you mean a normal "soon" (answer is "no")?

Or do you mean a "PMDG soon" (answer is "yes, it will happen soon")

 

:P  :lol:

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It depends ...

 

Do you mean a normal "soon" (answer is "no")?

Or do you mean a "PMDG soon" (answer is "yes, it will happen soon")

 

:P  :lol:

 

I mean like before the end of this year, like they said before.

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I mean like before the end of this year, like they said before.

 

hmmm... I do not think that is a "PMDG soon" .... ;)

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Wow, this went fast...

 

My 2 cts? I think PMDG can hardly blame anyone for trying to run their software in a P3D environment, legal or otherwise. In my opinion this is actually a compliment to both PMDG (for building excellent add-on planes) and LM (for keeping FSX alive, and actually improving it). We are seeing the future being created here...

 

This whole discussion will become moot once PMDG starts releasing P3D products. Until that day I keep using FSX, with the added bonus that the tension of possible CTD's at random moments creates so much excitement :-(

 

Martijn

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1) We anticipate the PMDG 777-200LR/F for P3D and the PMDG 777-300ER for P3D being released before year end.

 

Just a quote from the first post...

 

After this message I started to explore P3d. It runs better on my machine then FSX. And I love the shadows moving around the flightdeck. But I really want to fly PMDG aircraft. 

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and this has essentially put forward motion toward the P3D platform on hold.
This is more than disappointing. I moved to P3D, without ever purchasing the NGX, very early in the platform's development and I've been  hopeful that I would be able to one day have a PMDG simulation to enjoy. I have come to this forum almost daily looking for the news that the 777 is available for P3D users. There are alternatives which I have been reticent to purchase and as of the start of this thread, I was happy to have held off. Now this tidbit shows up on page 14 of the very thread that had many us happy as kids waiting for XMAS. If we are going to be looking at V3 and 64 bit before a PMDG aircraft is available for Prepar3D, Robert, please let us know now. I'll live with the alternatives until then on V2 and make the move to V3 when PMDG arrives.

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I didn't understand about user violation can have impact on Developer/Publisher, you have the license, they agree with that, if they violate, they're charge for it, right?

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This is more than disappointing. I moved to P3D, without ever purchasing the NGX, very early in the platform's development and I've been  hopeful that I would be able to one day have a PMDG simulation to enjoy. I have come to this forum almost daily looking for the news that the 777 is available for P3D users. There are alternatives which I have been reticent to purchase and as of the start of this thread, I was happy to have held off. Now this tidbit shows up on page 14 of the very thread that had many us happy as kids waiting for XMAS. If we are going to be looking at V3 and 64 bit before a PMDG aircraft is available for Prepar3D, Robert, please let us know now. I'll live with the alternatives until then on V2 and make the move to V3 when PMDG arrives.

 

I do not criticize PMDG a lot, but now I feel 100% like you do. 

 

I don't understand why this came up at this stage of the development. Is the user violation not being researched before you went to work on the prepar3d version? You even showed us the pictures.

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Im tired of waiting....I told my self by end of year. This is going to really suck if its a lot more time now.

 

I love you PMDG and respect your legal goals but im starting to get kind of annoyed and ancy...

 

Just break it to us. If ur pursuing litigation right now with a violator tell us when a court date is roughly setup using a generic response or something a long those lines...so we can have a 'atleast wont be out until' confirmation.

 

I need to look at different solutions...i have respected your releases & products and have put some great coin into them (not to mention made several others purchase them as well)

 

Least you can do is tell us some more info.

 

I promise you theres going to be someone thats going to bash this post and act like a cyber superhero and tell me how im dumb but I can assure u there are a lot more people thinking what Im thinking so Its not going to bother me.

 

My 2 Sunday morning cents. Thanks for reading lol. Hope it gets sorted soon! :)

 

Cheers gentlemen.

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Nice said, couldn't agree more! It is time to move forward.

P3D is the bright future for flightsimulation with or without PMDG.

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Guys

 

I think Robert's post leaves more Questions than Answers! I think a official update to clarify the position for everyone is needed  :huh: and before everyone jumps on me I'm only asking not demanding :wub:

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Instead of blaming PMDG, lay your frustration/blame at the feet of the runway incursion violators that forced PMDG in a "hold short" position.

PMDG is obligated to protect the licensing partners, investors and their business structure.

It's like blaming the victim for a crime committed against them, instead of blaming the criminal (in this case the person/s who violated their agreement with PMDG) it's that simple.

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