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Hey all,

 

though I keep loading up the default 172, I get frustrated each time.

 

Honestly, I assume it's just that it's a cr@p aircraft; however, I'm certainly hesitant to buy anything knowing I might experience some of the same nonsense such as "locking" bank angles (aircraft seems to snap right into bank position), strange ground handling, constant fighting to keep wings level, etc.

 

Can anyone recommend some good GA aircraft, maybe free to start, that are known to perform really well?

 

I fly a Diamond DA40 & DA20 (steam), Piper Warrior II, C172 and C152... open to suggestions.

 

thanks!

Andrew

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Yep A2A C172, A2A PA-28 and Aerosoft DA Katana are probably some of the best low and slow GA's out there

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Thanks guys.

 

I have the RealAir Lancair... it's really good.

 

 

Isn't this stuff (A2A and RealAir) only FSX/P3D though?

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Ouch, I'm really sorry, didn't see the topic is in X-plane forum. Well, Carenado and Alabeo produces for X-plane, I think that would be the best you can find, although I do not like their aircraft for FSX.

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Yes A2A and RealAir are only for FSX/P3D.

 

The X-Plane versions of Carenado's aircraft are fantastic. The C152II, C172II Skyhawk, PA28 ArcherII, PA32 Saratoga and Mooney M20J have recently been updated to version 3:

http://xplanereviews.com/index.php?/topic/232-aircraft-update-carenado-aircraft-to-1030-c152ii-c172ii-archer-ii-saratoga-and-mooney-m20j/

 

They now come with the torque countermeasures by default (to work around the broken modelling in X-Plane) so no need to mess with the scripts yourself.

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Morten's Piper Archer 3.

In many peoples opinion, the best freeware GA available.

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I love the new Carenado planes especially now that they are adding mouse wheel support. Recently got the B1900 and its awesome!

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Well, most of the sensation of FBW you get in the default C172 comes from the fact that, by default, under the Settings / Controls menu you will have your Artificial Stability is by default set at 50%.

 

With artificial stability this way, if you look at your aircraft control surfaces from the outside you will see them sometimes moving very briskly... The first time I saw this I was really enthusiastic because I thought they were reacting to wind turbulence, but soon found out it was the Art Stab system pumping in... 

 

Well, try setting those Artificial Stability sliders at 0% or as low as 10% and go flying.  Your C172 will surely feel more like a RW C172 :-)  but as a consequence you will now be exposed to other problems in X-Plane's fligth dynamics modeling...

 

Goran's suggestion of Morten's Piper is good. The panel is only 2D, so, you have to "W" and not to "SHIFT-9" :-). Carenado models are another excellent choice.

 

I think another good choice would be Goran's ( Leading Edge Simulations - LES ) own Beechcraft Duchess  - a great Classic School twin, very well modeled and beautifully adjusted to the RW performance, and since it's a counter-rotating prop twin you will be freed from the "torque bug" !!!

 

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Thanks J!

 

Very helpful.

 

That Dutchess looks GREAT, too. I'll take a look... 

 

cheers

Andrew

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Don't forget to set a pair of switches / buttons in your joystick to aileron trim left / right, and another for rudder trim, although unfortunately in X-Plane it is not called for as much as it should...  It also helps having trim reset buttons for aileron and rudder trim, although they're a bit unrealistic since they instantly bring the trims to neutral.

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Andrew, you might want to have a look at vFlyteAir's Piper. It's actually very good and not expensive either. I'll let the experts decide whether it's flight model is accurate but to me, I get the feeling this is close though. When comparing to my P3D A2A Piper, it's not as deep a simulation but is quite convincing nonetheless.

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For free try downloading the Eclipse 550.

 

It is a small jet and this eliminates the torque of the prop aircraft.

 

http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?app=downloads&showfile=18661

 

With a few free mods, you can get the GNS430 operating and clear the "screeching" default brakes.

 

It has a 3D glass cockpit.

 

Also, you can cruise at about 340 knots.

 

John

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For free try downloading the Eclipse 550.

 

It is a small jet and this eliminates the torque of the prop aircraft.

 

http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?app=downloads&showfile=18661

 

With a few free mods, you can get the GNS430 operating and clear the "screeching" default brakes.

 

It has a 3D glass cockpit.

 

Also, you can cruise at about 340 knots.

 

John

How does one clear the screeching brakes?

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You have to have a "non-screeching" aircraft and copy the "ground contact" file into the culprit file after erasing the  bad one.  Very easy.

 

Careful with copyrighted aircraft as the authors probably wouldn't like you copying their sound files.

 

John

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Thanks everyone!

 

For what it's worth - I only own 1 payware twin - the MilViz C310 - but don't use twins much, because if I really get serious, they'll cost me an extra $150...

 

;)

 

You are absolutely right! It's practically impractical to deal with a twin without a proper PQ .

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Or two of these - I use this one.

 

Hi John - Not a bad idea! - I use that one now, but unfortunately, it's tied to a yoke I seldom use. Buying two would save me $50 and solve the yoke problem. (Sticky elevator operation. Typical.)

 

Did you just rearrange the lever handles?

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Did you just rearrange the lever handles?

 

The Yoke/Quadrant combo did not work very well (wouldn't calibrate), but I ordered two of these and eliminated the one attached to the yoke.  The Yoke works flawlessly and the two quadrants - having seperate USB plugs - work well.  (Remember - Saitek controls don't seem to like USB3) They have molded indentations in the side which let them sorta lock together when you place them close together. The knobs pull off so you can align them as you like - 2 black - 2 blue - 2 red..  They program in the settings easily.  They also have a switch at the bottom of the axis travel which can be programmed to reverse thrust just by pulling back on the trottle.  I also program the switches at the bottom of the unit to aileron adjust, ALT, HDG, NAV, landing lights on/off, taxi light on/off, gear up/down.  Pretty nice!

 

John 

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