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So as the title suggests has anyone tried REX lattitude? Or even REX Simair (although FSX native).

 

Seems like it adds a little bit of competition to what can sometimes become a lonely world (unless you use VATSIM etc).

 

Thoughts, suggestions welcome. Does it work in P3D 2.X? It is about £10 so it wouldn't break my piggy bank. But before I take the plunge I thought I would ask.

 

Thanks

 

Tom

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I tried REX Latitude back in my FSX-days and totally disliked the score and reward system. Took all the fun out of flying for me as I started to focus on getting 'high scores' while the program takes things into account I would never base a score on. All my bad, of course: it CAN be used as a tool to make for instance landings better, but quite often it would punish me for things I couldn't help at all and I just couldn't stand that. ;) It just didn't give me a real life experience I was hoping for. All in all highly annoying and not my kind of addon. But YMMV of course! ;)

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So as the title suggests has anyone tried REX lattitude? Or even REX Simair (although FSX native).

 

Used REX Latitude a lot  but the novelty runs out pretty quickly.  It's too bad too because the concept was great but the execution faltered and I don't think REX even cares much about it anymore.  It's been a long time since any updates.  Jeroen is spot on about the scoring system.  It really sucks to get slammed for hand flying a difficult approach  in foul weather. If REX could have implemented some sort of "Score modifier" that could take into account these sort of things it would help bring some enjoyment back into the program as it stands is just too rigid.

 

SIMAIR....PPPPffffffftttttt!!  Yeah right it's been forever since they said that was going to be released.  Oh yeah but wait Reed Stough said it would be this year... :Talking Ear Off:

 

http://www.realenvironmentxtreme.com/forums/index.php?/topic/27332-is-it-released-simair/

 

Guess we'll only have to wait a few more days to find out  :LMAO:

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I have not tried Latitude but from my conversation with the REX guys, SimAir was put on the back burning until REX4 is finished and then it will be full steam ahead with SimAir.

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I really miss FSPassengersX since moving to P3D.  It was decent for what it was, and if Simair can offer similar features I'd love to see it come out.

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I really miss FSPassengersX since moving to P3D. It was decent for what it was, and if Simair can offer similar features I'd love to see it come out.

 

FS Captain works great in P3D and can do a lot of what FSPassangers did plus a lot more.  It's still actively supported by the Developer.  I use it all the time to send Pireps to my VA because it can use the FSPassangers export format (if you do that sort of thing).

 

 

 


SimAir was put on the back burning until REX4 is finished and then it will be full steam ahead with SimAir.
 

First they said it was a marketing delay do to a naming conflict which didn't make sense in terms of a developmental delay etc. but 3.5 years and counting has shaken my faith on this one.  If REX is able to pull off what it's been hyping up and somehow is able to integrate the Lattitude scoring methodology into your SimAir pilots rating in a comprehensive yet flexible manner then I do believe they'll finally have a product worth talking about. :rolleyes:

 

Until then I do wish them luck while I await the arrival of Air Hauler II

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I use Rex latitude in combination with AirHauler, FsPassenger and FSFlightKeeper.

 

There is some overlap between these programs, but they all score the flights from a slightly different angle. I'm currently very happy with the results.

 

FSPassenger focuses on how a passenger would rate your flight. FSFlightKeeper judges based on the way you operate your aircraft (for example lights and how well you taxi). Rex Latitude is more like a flight instructor. It makes sure you fly smoothly. It is particularly sensitive on how you you do your landing.

 

I have found Rex Latitude to be the hardest to keep happy. Other programs might give me a perfect score, but only get 68% score from Rex Latitude, because I floated the landing or had excessive g-forces during takeoff or landing.

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I like REX Lattitude a lot, because it gives me great feeback about my flying skills. While I don't care about the score and reward system (I don't even upload anything), it mainly helps me improving my flying in the circuit and of course my landing practice. It's not always running in the background, but whenever I feel like taking some flying lessons I startup Lattitude and always enjoy the results. It definitely helps me improving my piloting (in FSX as well as in RW). A very worthy and, from my point-of-view, underrated addon!

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FS Captain works great in P3D and can do a lot of what FSPassangers did plus a lot more.  It's still actively supported by the Developer. 

 

Very good--thanks ;o)

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Yes Latitude is fun and useful for judging your approach and landings. I used it heavily for about a month, then just... stopped. Maybe I'll give it a go again since you brought it up!

 

SimAir -  :mellow: Been on that mailing list since 1982 and still haven't heard a thing. Who won the Amstick?

 

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FS Captain works great in P3D and can do a lot of what FSPassangers did plus a lot more.  It's still actively supported by the Developer. 

 

Hi RE,

 

Can you tell me if there are cabin crew announcements or other audio features in FS Captain as there are in FSPax?  I took a look at their site and didn't see anything about that.  

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Can you tell me if there are cabin crew announcements or other audio features in FS Captain as there are in FSPax? I took a look at their site and didn't see anything about that.

 

It's a little bit different than FS Passengers as you don't micro manage things like when to serve food etc.  FS Captain is more focused on the roles a captain and FO in the cockpit.  There is some interaction though as you can give a welcome announcement after boarding, alert the crew for T/O and Landing, manage the belts during turbulence etc. Accurate position reporting and staying on schedule is really the goal though however you will be graded on each flight and passenger opinion weighs into that.

 

I think about the most positive thing I could say here is that the majority of people I have spoke with (on web forums, in my VA, etc. ) who have used both seem to prefer FS Captain.  I know I feel this way strongly and have not used passengers for several years now simply because IMO and for the type of flying I do; I prefer FSCaptain. 

 

There is a website for it you can visit for more information and I believe the manual is also available for review in a .pdf download.

 

Good Luck,

Robert

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Very good it sounds like it's definitely worth trying.  Thanks ;o)

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There is a website for it you can visit for more information and I believe the manual is also available for review in a .pdf download.
 
Good Luck,
Robert

 

Hi Robert,

 

I picked it up, and am in the middle of a flight now.  Is it correct there really is no audio, even w/ the announcements you can generate?   Seems odd at best if that's true.

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Hi Robert,

 

I picked it up, and am in the middle of a flight now.  Is it correct there really is no audio, even w/ the announcements you can generate?   Seems odd at best if that's true.

I found how to modify dll.xml and seems it's fixed now ;o)

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I found how to modify dll.xml and seems it's fixed now ;o)

 

Good to Go... I hope you enjoy it.

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Thank you it's quite nice I"m finding.  I think it's possible for the fuel load to be added by the app but so far I've not seen how to do it.   I did read about this issue but can't seem to find where the info was in the tutorial.  Outside of this minor issue I'm making peace w/ the sequence of using both GSX & FSCaptain and it's really quite a hoot & just what I was looking for!  It's indeed much more sophisticated than FSPax & great it's still supported!  One other minor issue is FRAPS will no longer display in P3D when ACARS is running, but that's minor.

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Well we have drifted WAY off topic since the OP but if your running an Nvida cad you can use the Shadow play as a capture option.

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I discovered it I check 'Monitor Aero Desktop' I can now see the frame rate display.  Something to do w/ the external ACARS that required that I guess.

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Hi RE,

 

Can you tell me if there are cabin crew announcements or other audio features in FS Captain as there are in FSPax?  I took a look at their site and didn't see anything about that.  

 

Yes there are extensive amounts of audio from the First Officer and Flight Attendants with the ability to add your own custom voice packs.  The manual even released a full script sheet for what to say if you are recording your own FO/FA set and what event triggers that speech.   Based on the list, there is quite a bit and you can have more than one Welcome Aboard message or multiple speeches for any part of the flight in each trigger point.    About the only thing FSCaptain doesn't do well that FSPAX did was airline management.   I really liked having to pay the bills and manage the fleet and actually make my airline money.   They are starting to implement features like that with their new Economic Module but it is far from what FSPAX could do.

 

And yes... your passengers do scream in terror when you screw up big time.   I also like that you can get an idea of how good you did just by listening to the PAX when they are deboarding.   You'll hear them make little remarks like "Awesome flight, thanks for the smooth ride."  "That was really enjoyable flight.  Thank you so much."   Stuff like.  Likewise, they will complain to your face if you jammed the landing gear up the butts or did a barrel roll in your 737/A320.  :)

 

FSCaptain is extremely flexible and very fair in grading.   I highly recommend it and its on sale for 40% off until Jan 2nd.   I did a long (too long I think XD) overview video of it on my Flightblog if you want to see how it works before you buy it.  They also have a full DEMO you can try before you buy.

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Hi Brian,

 

I'm on it!  After a little problem getting audio out--added code in dll.xml that was missing after install to P3D thru Estonia Migration Tool--works like a charm.  It's really excellent--much deeper & better than IMO than FSPax was--though I did like the option for foreign voices which I used regularly w/ offshore flights.  I'm figuring out how to use it w/ GSX which is really fun and easy to make work out.

 

One question if you will: here's something I don't understand.  If I turn the FCDU on BEFORE I have loaded my P3D intended flight plan, the FDCU says on page one after initialization that I am at my P3D default scenario location, which may not be the 'committed' plan done in the Administrator as a charter flight--it appears on page two after the 'other' prompt is selected.  Is there a way to select that 'committed' one as the flight we want to use for our FSCaptain session?  I read this comment from the tutorial:

It’s particularly important to wait until the load has started to load (or create) your flight plan in FS. If you do this, then the FS ATC will address your flight verbally by the correct flight number. As the load progresses, the screen will be constantly updated.... 

I have only been able to get the committed plan to appear when turning on the FCDU by loading up the P3D flight plan first, before starting the FCDU, and it will already have the default fuel load associated w/ my default P3D scenario.  So I don't see how to, as the comment above says, 'wait until the load has started ...then the FS ATC will address your flight verbally .... etc.

 

Ideas??

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FSCaptain has a native P3D installer and shouldn't require the Migration Tool to install.  You may want to re-install and tell it you are using P3D so it does everything automated.   If it's working fine for you now you shouldn't have too but just keep that in mind in the future.

 

I am not an expert on it yet and can only tell you how I do my flights.   I create my Flightplan in FSBuild and use TOPCAT to get all my fuel requirements and takeoff speeds.   I then load up FSCaptain Admin and go create my flight.  I don't let it assign me one.  I make it in the admin then adjust to match the cargo manifest I have.   

 

I then load the flight plan into the flight setup in FSCaptain and load my Active Sky NEXT weather and recalculate fuel and time requirements.   I cross check FSCaptain's fuel requirements with TOPCAT's and make sure they are close to each other.  I commit the flight and shutdown The Admin and start up the simulator.

 

I pick my plane, load the flight plan, put myself at the correct starting gate at my departure airport and load in.   If you are using a sophisticated aircraft like PMDG it is highly recommend you set your PAX, Cargo and Fuel loads via the FMC.   Don't use FSCaptain's Auto-load features.  You should have set those to be suppressed in the FSCaptain Admin with Simulate Load ticked on so you can still simulate the time it takes to load the PAX.

 

Once my plane is configured I turn on the FCDU inside P3D (via the installed gauge) and log in.   Your flight should immediately pop up on the next screen after login.  Verify the flight number is the one you setup in FSCaptain's Admin and the destination airport and arrival airport are what you set and commit to the flight.   

 

You are ready to rock and roll.   I did a 4 hour flight from Albuquerque to Seattle yesterday and landed with 50 lbs of fuel left before I hit reserve.   That's about as 'On the numbers' as you can get.   Got scored a 95 and my PAX were all happy campers.  Arrived at the gate 3 minutes ahead of schedule.   Southwest; On-Time and in One Piece.  Guaranteed.

 

And.... I hijacked the thread... XD   My apologies.    Ummm... I did look at REX Latitude but it wasn't quite what I was wanting.   There!  Thread back on  track!

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It's awesome I really like it Brian.  I may try uninstalling & reinstalling and save a copy of the edited dll.xml file just in case.  I did notice though when I went to install it it asked me to locate the folder where my simulator was located I believe, rather than give me a choice to install to FSX or P3D, so I backed out, at last that is my recollection.  The only thing that isn't working is:

1.  Doesn't recognize the state of the seat belts toggle--no matter what I do the FO tells me to turn on the belts sign (before you can assign the task to FO, i.e. when about to pushback).

2.  Doesn't identify the flight number--just picks it up off of whatever number I have most recently assigned to the plane during vehicle selection.

3.  Fuel I have to input but that's ok as I like to use GSX for that anyway, so no biggie.

 

Awesome!  This was the main thing that kept me connected to FSX as long as I was, and missed FSPax in P3D.  This is a much better app!

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Hey Noel A couple of things...

 

FS Captain is a bit deeper than one might imagine when first getting started if you give it a bit more time you'll find that there ae ways to address most all of your concerns.

 

1. Seat belt managment:  You have a couple of options when using an add on aircraft that does not use the standard FSX mapping you can either turn the management off altogether, hand it over to the FO, or try remapping the add-ons belt switch using FSUIPC to the default assignment.  You can also do sort of a combination if using a momentary switch with FSUIPC (ie.  Standard MSFS seatbelt toggle command when pushed/ add on aircraft seat belt command when released)  Using a combination like this can work well with the no smoking assignments as well.  One thing to keep in mind is that there seems to be a bit of "grace time" built in.  I have pushed back with the belt sign not on myself or the galley power not on and so long as I rectify the situation in short order it didn't affect my final score computation.

 

2.  Flight numbers: Agreed this can be a bit wonky as it tends to assign it's own.  The nice thing though is you can edit this in the flight log section of the administrator so as to keep integrity or in m case when a discrepancy occurs with my VA I can resubmit my pirep under a new flight # and receive credit for my flight hours.  This is a great feature if you fly for a VA and have more than one booking or an error occurs when filing your pirep.

 

3.  Fuel loading:  Again it can conflict at times with 3pd aircraft; furthermore, between default options, 3pd aircraft options, flight planning software, external fuel loading applications, and FS Captain itself it can get a bit confusing as to which program or app is really in charge. :huh:  Using GSX with FS Captain is easy since GSX calls up the default planner anyway.  What I tend to do is a load revision in FS Captain and set the fuel to what I plan on having GSX load and select the manual load option in FSCaptain.  Once cleared to proceed I have GSX load the fuel and when I am ready to pushback if there is any differences between the manifest and aircraft I usually reconcile using the aircraft data, the small discrepancies are usually due to APU burn or some other factor.  Most of the time I can get the figures pretty dang close; I'm not going to sweat anything under a couple hundred pounds on an airliner flight.

 

Glad you like the program.  If you hear the FO say he sees some ice forming be sure to turn on your anti ice,,,, :ph34r:

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