Too bad that it seems as if only the FSX and not the Prepar3d v2 versions will go on sale. I am really on the fence to give the CS 777 a try. Not only because the PMDG is delayed but also because I'm getting more and more annoyed by the arrogance of PMDG and don't want to support them... On the other hand, very mixed reports on the CS 777 and from the videos on Youtube it seems to be a terrible frame eater...

I have a question about the CS767. Seriously, is it really that bad? Keep in mind, I'm not that demanding about perfect systems and 100% bug-free products. I really like the CS 737 and that one has very annoying issues. I just want a fun plane to fly occasionally. At the same time, I don't want to throw even $13 away on a really bad plane that would frustrate me, so I haven't purchased it. And no, I do not want the Level D product. I'm sure it's a lot better, but it just seems too old to me and the price is too high for a product that dated.

 

Also, someone asked about the 707. I personally think that's one of the better ones from them. I also like the 727, but the sound set could be better.

 

 

Sounds great, except the INS part. If there is one thing that scares me more than FMC's, it's INS's.

 

 

 

I believe you can install the Simufly CIVA INS which would be preferred as it is the top of the class.

 

I messed around with the INS a bit last weekend, but haven't used it in a flight yet.  You can indeed install the CIVA INS (even dual CIVAS) but I think you can only get at them via 2D panel.  I might give it a try over the holidays when I have more time to play around.

 

Indeed, the INS doesn't have the luxuries of a modern FMC and is rather tedious to program, but you can fly the plane without it.  You can even do an autoland without the INS (though I don't know how true to life that is).  I just nailed a perfect landing in near zero visibility conditions.

 

I get great frame rates with the CS L1011 even on my less than cutting edge machine.  It's certainly not a study sim, but what it does it does well and I haven't encountered any blatant problems.  It's a fun, unique plane to fly.

I have a question about the CS767. Seriously, is it really that bad?

The biggest issue I have with the 767 is that it won't follow VNAV after TOD. It will go the he first WP after TOD as published in the FMC, but after that it will start climbing, even if the FMC is instructing it to descend  the next WP. Yes, I know how to use the FMC. Same test run on all the others and they respond as expected. The AT is a bit temperamental on T/O as well. But other than those thing it seems fine. Not a study sim but it's not supposed to be. 

Thanks for the info Brian. That is annoying and I guess that's the kind of thing that has hurt their reputation, at least with the more modern planes. I usually manually control the descent at some point after TOD anyway with the few FMC planes I use, so maybe it's not a deal killer in my case. I'm still not sure about it, though.

 FSDanL. Glad the info was of use to you.  It seems OK with LVL CHG and VS on descends. Many others have reported it won't establish a TOD, thus leaving cruise altitude on the STAR all the way down to the runway. I don't use it just because the 767 is an FMC heavy plane and this shouldn't be happening on this type of AC. Unless ATC tells me otherwise, I usually fly published STARS in VNAV much of the way down, then go with ILS only to disengage A/P at 1000 AGL. Again LVL CHG works but YMMV.
I'm done spending money with CS just because of so many past disappointments and lack of support  If they've changed their tune that's great. Too little too late for me. If I were to spend another $12 with them, I'd take a chance on the L1011 rather than the 767

I bought CS777 and the Cargo add-on but I uninstalled it.  There is a rather large lack of manual and/or tutorials to teach you how to operate this aircraft and the frame rate is rather harsh, even on a High-End system.   The model and texture work are awesome and I love the small details and the tons of animations this aircraft can do but all I can do with it is take pictures of it.  I looked for operating manuals and scoured YouTube for good tutorials but could find nothing.   Almost every single link out there is link-dead in regards to written tutorials...   if anyone knows where to get good training on this bird I am all ears and would gladly give it another chance.

Too bad that it seems as if only the FSX and not the Prepar3d v2 versions will go on sale.

 

Funny - I read back through the promotional email they sent me and it did only say FSX. So I'm not sure if that was intentional or just an ommission on their part. Despite my hating, I would drop a few bucks on the 1011...

 

 

 Many others have reported it won't establish a TOD, thus leaving cruise altitude on the STAR all the way down to the runway.

 

Just want to make sure that you're aware that there's a fix for this... check this link and see if that solves the issue for you:

 

http://captainsim.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1353614647

 

Also, no one ever mentions this about their 767, but it's just as bad of a frame eater as their 777. May have something to do with the fact they modeled the entire cabin (which I will say, is very cool)...

if anyone knows where to get good training on this bird I am all ears and would gladly give it another chance.

 

Don't tell anyone I said this but CS did do a pretty good job with the systems modeling. The easiest thing you can do is simply pull up any number of PMDG tutorials and follow them with CS's aircraft. The only thing I noticed is that the ETOPS for the CS will be difficult since they only modeled 4 fix pages...

 

 

Just want to make sure that you're aware that there's a fix for this... check this link and see if that solves the issue for you:



http://captainsim.or...?num=1353614647

Thanks Greg. Yes, I've used this work around. It would clear up the FMC but I still always had issues with VNAV as previously discussed. There was a work around for the VNAV issue.That one never did work for me.

I bought CS777 and the Cargo add-on but I uninstalled it.  There is a rather large lack of manual and/or tutorials to teach you how to operate this aircraft and the frame rate is rather harsh, even on a High-End system.   The model and texture work are awesome and I love the small details and the tons of animations this aircraft can do but all I can do with it is take pictures of it.  I looked for operating manuals and scoured YouTube for good tutorials but could find nothing.   Almost every single link out there is link-dead in regards to written tutorials...   if anyone knows where to get good training on this bird I am all ears and would gladly give it another chance.

 

I get my "manuals" from youtube tutorials anyway. I haven't even looked in my PMDG NGX manuals (haters gonna hate), I just want to get in and program the fmc, then fly away. Yes, it is quite heavy on frames, no doubt but as long as you're not cranking all the autogen sliders to the max and have tons of different HD textured add-ons installed it should do ok.

 

 

On the other hand, very mixed reports on the CS 777 and from the videos on Youtube it seems to be a terrible frame eater...

 

Certainly less of a frame rate eater than PMDG was on FSX (at least for me anyway).  You can make a simple modification to make the MFD's duplicates rather than independent (this save some FPS).  Also there are some cockpit textures available to help even more ... with a few adjustments you can gain about 30% FPS.

 

As far as manuals, there are two -- about 170 pages worth in total and cover almost everything.  Checklists are accessed via MFD mode or you can use the EFB with your own custom checklist.  Since I have the PMDG FSX version and those manuals, I can always use them as reference if I didn't find what I needed in the CS manuals.

 

Several people complained about VNAV and LNAV not working, but they seem fine to me if you have the FMC setup correctly.

 

The only complaint I have with the CS 777 is the checklist is very difficult to navigate.  It would also be nice if the controls (knobs, switches, buttons) had a back lighting that could dim rather than just on/off.  All the MFD's have dimmers, but they skipped on the control backlight.

 

The weather radar is excellent, Tilt control up/down actually does change what's being displayed.

 

I can't think of any aircraft that provides this much functionality at this price (even the regular price).

 

Cheers, Rob.

... and the CS Tristar on sale will even be less "expensive" than the upgrade offer for the Justflight professional version ...

Certainly less of a frame rate eater than PMDG was on FSX (at least for me anyway).  You can make a simple modification to make the MFD's duplicates rather than independent (this save some FPS).  Also there are some cockpit textures available to help even more ... with a few adjustments you can gain about 30% FPS.

 

As far as manuals, there are two -- about 170 pages worth in total and cover almost everything.  Checklists are accessed via MFD mode or you can use the EFB with your own custom checklist.  Since I have the PMDG FSX version and those manuals, I can always use them as reference if I didn't find what I needed in the CS manuals.

 

Several people complained about VNAV and LNAV not working, but they seem fine to me if you have the FMC setup correctly.

 

The only complaint I have with the CS 777 is the checklist is very difficult to navigate.  It would also be nice if the controls (knobs, switches, buttons) had a back lighting that could dim rather than just on/off.  All the MFD's have dimmers, but they skipped on the control backlight.

 

The weather radar is excellent, Tilt control up/down actually does change what's being displayed.

 

I can't think of any aircraft that provides this much functionality at this price (even the regular price).

 

Cheers, Rob.

 

Rob,

 

Where are these fabled manuals?   If you are referring to the 777 Systems manual, that appeared to me to only explain the How It Works but not How To Work It.   Are you referring to the manuals that come with the aircraft because those would not be helpful to someone brand new to this type of aircraft.   I mean I didn't even see anything in either manual on how to start the aircraft in a Cold and Dark state and then how to turn it on and get it prepped for flight.

CS version is a lot better than the original JF release at least, not sure how much better new JF Tristar "Professional" version is, probably still not better than the CS one.

 

I would definitely recommend the CS L1011 for such a low price.

Many thanks for that. Just the endorsement I was looking for.

 

 

Where are these fabled manuals?

 

If you go to the CS web site and open up  your account orders, they are a separate link you can download.  The startup procedure for the 777 isn't that complicated to be honest ... it's a more modern aircraft so I would expect that.  The CS L1011 is a little more involved (over 500 knobs, dials, switches and a separate engineer station) but I'd expect that for an older aircraft.

 

But either way, you can follow the checklist in the MFD for startup ... you will need to know where the battery switch is and it will not last long if you don't get the APU going.

 

Cheers, Rob.