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Strange post this one, but thought I’d check out views or ideas on this…

 

Although it’s due to reasons I’d prefer didn’t exist, I have a lot of spare time to use FSX and other sims and games. I’m also reasonably fortunate, in that I’m able to afford ‘most’ of the addons that I choose.

 

This means that:

a  I have a very large number of mostly high end addons

b  That my FSX installation tends to be large, and so sometimes more unstable than it otherwise might be. Sadly, the more addons that you pile onto FSX, the more unwieldy it tends to get.

 

Anyway, to my point…  There must be others out there with all these complex addons installed. Do you guys end up like me…. Being something like a “jack of all trades, but master of none”? I tend to spend a few weeks in one aircraft, say the PMDG T7 or NGX, then get bored and switch to say the Majestic Q400. And so the cycle continues until I start again;-) Not only do I never really become totally proficient in any one aircraft, but by the time I switch, I’ve pretty much forgotten the systems, and so make many mistakes!

 

On a similar note, it wasn’t too long ago, that while trying to sort a glitch with an addon, the developer said, “ …you have to many other addons installed to FSX”!!!  Also, that I should remove some other payware products, before trying to solve the relevant issue! At first I thought he was joking or being sarcastic, but not so. Theoretically, I understood his point, but sometimes, it feels like vendors and developers think they are at the centre of the universe. Do they want my business or not? They can’t (or shouldn’t) expect me to purchase their product at the expense of uninstalling another! Okay, short rant over;-)

 

Someone suggested to only have the products I want to CURRENTLY use installed. Great in theory, but makes using FSX extremely tedious, and completely removes the abaility to spontaneously jump in the seat and fly!

 

Just curious how others deal with this?

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If you are using complex aircraft addons to their full extent, and by that I mean flying them by the book using correct procedures (as far as the addons allow) then I personally am unable to stay fully conversent with more than two or three and that includes remembering how my Goflight modules are programmed with each one.

 

Try going back to the Leonardo Maddog after spending a month or two in the iFly or PMDG 737's

It's amazing how much you forget and so quickly.

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I have had a similar problem with add-ons and found this new program for FSX, DX10, and P3D very helpful.  It is called SIMstarter and a video overview can be seen on YouTube at this link.

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How ironic - the solution to too many add-ons is another add-on. :P

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I too experienced this problem up until a few months ago, when I made a concerted effort to think about exactly how I wanted to run FSX (This time). Essentially, I put a few factors together, those being:

1. The actual amount of free time that I have to sim.

2. The aircraft that I like.

3. Routes that would fit into my allotted sim time.

4. Global areas that I know.

 

As a result of this, currently my sim is set up to basically do regional flights up to a maximum duration of about three hours. Being English, at the moment I am flying mostly European routes using the BaE146 and RJ, and the 737NG series. This keeps me interested because these are the places that I know. Also, it is NOT a placebo, removing global areas that you are not flying in does have a positive effect on the sim.

 

SO, what invariably happens for me, is about every six months or so, I uninstall the sim, reinstall, add new scenery and aircraft, and on I go. Thus far, using this method I have done:

 

1. Airliners in Australia (where I live now) usually reflective of the types that are flown here.

2. GA in Australia (I once held my CPL, so I'm very familiar with the territory)

3. GA in the UK / Europe.

4. Regionals in Europe (Including the USSR).

5. GA in Alaska.

 

In future, I will be switching again to North America and Canada, although I have to admit that I do not have a great knowledge of the regions. I will study up on this. After that, once we get some decent global sceneries for South East Asia, I will do that as well.

 

At the moment, there is only one problem that this gives me, and that is the actual install and set up time of FSX and acceleration when I do this. I invariably end up removing all of the FSX missions, and all default aircraft and panels, and installing the best payware ones that I choose at that time. All of my payware is on seperate drives.

 

It's a shame that nobody can create a new custom installer for FSX, so that I did not have to spend time doing this post install.

 

I find that this method always keeps my interest in the sim going. Apologies for the long post.

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I too experienced this problem up until a few months ago, when I made a concerted effort to think about exactly how I wanted to run FSX (This time). Essentially, I put a few factors together, those being:

1. The actual amount of free time that I have to sim.

2. The aircraft that I like.

3. Routes that would fit into my allotted sim time.

4. Global areas that I know.

 

As a result of this, currently my sim is set up to basically do regional flights up to a maximum duration of about three hours. Being English, at the moment I am flying mostly European routes using the BaE146 and RJ, and the 737NG series. This keeps me interested because these are the places that I know. Also, it is NOT a placebo, removing global areas that you are not flying in does have a positive effect on the sim.

 

SO, what invariably happens for me, is about every six months or so, I uninstall the sim, reinstall, add new scenery and aircraft, and on I go. Thus far, using this method I have done:

 

1. Airliners in Australia (where I live now) usually reflective of the types that are flown here.

2. GA in Australia (I once held my CPL, so I'm very familiar with the territory)

3. GA in the UK / Europe.

4. Regionals in Europe (Including the USSR).

5. GA in Alaska.

 

In future, I will be switching again to North America and Canada, although I have to admit that I do not have a great knowledge of the regions. I will study up on this. After that, once we get some decent global sceneries for South East Asia, I will do that as well.

 

At the moment, there is only one problem that this gives me, and that is the actual install and set up time of FSX and acceleration when I do this. I invariably end up removing all of the FSX missions, and all default aircraft and panels, and installing the best payware ones that I choose at that time. All of my payware is on seperate drives.

 

It's a shame that nobody can create a new custom installer for FSX, so that I did not have to spend time doing this post install.

 

I find that this method always keeps my interest in the sim going. Apologies for the long post.

No apologies needed Andew - a good post. As stated above, there one or two addons that can do much of this work, but as also stated.... its yet another addon;-)

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My entire FSX installation has never been larger than 50 GB. Currently 42 GB.

 

 

I don't know why you guys are so keen on having stuff clogging your HDD that you rarely, if ever, use anyway...

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My advice is to do different things.  Don't fly 737s ALL the time, don't fly GAs ALL the time, and don't fly A-B ALL the time.  No wonder it gets boring if you do the same kind of flying all the time.  Flying a 737 from A-B or flying a King Air or even a C182 from A-B isn't all that different kind of flying experience.  Even within GA there are so many different things to do besides going from A-B.  

 

You know I chuckle when I hear someone say  I like to fly GA....well that can mean anything since GA is such a large genre covering many many types of flying.  Thats like saying I am in the medical field....which could be anything from a dentist to a proctologist. :lol:   Both ends of the spectrum, literally LOL.  Did you ever try gliders, float planes, bush flying, airshow routines, aerobatics, combat, air racing, helicopters?  Have you ever done things outside your routine?  Have you broken virtual FAA regs for the fun of it?  Have you mixed genres...ie turning a military fighter into a bush plane?  Why?  For Fun!  You won't be fined by some virtual FAA.  

 

Speaking of gliders, Aerosoft just released their ASK-21.  I got it, flew around the Orbx NZ Picton area, riding the ridges with ASN's weather engine, it was wonderful and lots of fun.

 

Flight Sim, especially FSX is a very open world open to practically anything, there are no rules, no goals, no points, no winning or losing.  Be your own boss, and set your own rules or standards by which you succeed or not.  

 

Cheers

TJ

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My entire FSX installation has never been larger than 50 GB. Currently 42 GB.

 

 

I don't know why you guys are so keen on having stuff clogging your HDD that you rarely, if ever, use anyway...

You obviously didn't understand my post....  I DO use all my addons. Every single last one!

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You obviously didn't understand my post....  I DO use all my addons. Every single last one!

 

I have a very hard time believing that, but whatever floats your boat.

 

You might want to get FSXSE during the next sale and then do a side-by-side installation. Use one FSX flavor for airliners and the other for GA.

Scenery is shared between both anyway, so all you have to do is launch the right fsx.exe.

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You might want to get FSXSE during the next sale and then do a side-by-side installation. Use one FSX flavor for airliners and the other for GA.

 

No need to waste money on FSXSE, I just run two installations of FSX with Acceleration. One with all the addon scenery and aircraft, and the other with default only (for development work). I have created shortcuts to the folders that need to be renamed, so it only takes about 1 minute to switch from one to the other.

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Like the OP, I used to have an insane amount of addone installed in to FSX.   Although, to be honest, I never felt the impact of that in terms of instability.  Whenever I came across an unstable addon, I tended to uninstall it, thus preserving a pretty stable, but flabby FSX.

 

But about 4 months ago, I had to completely reinstall FSX, and decided at that point to do the "just install when you use" technique, and I still use that to this day (although I now only use P3D).

 

It makes things much lighter and easier.  If I'm on a tubeliner thang then I'll probably just have the NGX, AXEs, and Q400 installed.    If I get bored and fancy some raw Metroliner flying, then yes, I uninstall the tubeliners.   If I then get a fancy for the A2A and RealAir birds, I'd uninstall the Metroliner.   I rarely have more than 5 addon aircraft installed at a time, despite owning 30+.

 

For scenery, well I'll always have FTXG+Vector+OpenEU installed but Orbx regions I'll only install one at a time when I fancy some flying there.   Airport sceneries I tend to install in 'batches', so if I'm flying the tubes in Europe I might install 10x European (FlyTamps, Aerosoft, etc) airports.    If I then fancy some Canadian/US flying, I will uninstall the European airports and install my North American addon airports.

 

Just used to doing this now, and it seems to work well,

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Timely thread for me.  I've just used the P3D 2.5 full-install requirement as an excuse to upgrade my system and am now reinstalling from scratch.  This time I really mean to keep the add-ons to an absolute minimum.  I've told myself that before... but then have gone through the usual sequence of having things pile up incrementally ("oh, that looks like a cool aircraft/airport/scenery/utility, I'll just try it out..."  and then it hangs around for years...)  The idea of a simple, clean-running setup is really appealing to me, and I'd like to be able to reinstall in future without having to dread the experience or commit days to it.  Let's see if I can keep discipline this time.  Wish me luck!

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I had a similar experience to Craig's.  A reinstall had me really think about what addons I wanted to include and I was able to only install those addons that were regularly being used.  A lot of addon aircraft and scenery were left uninstalled...  ;)

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Flying a 737 from A-B or flying a King Air or even a C182 from A-B isn't all that different kind of flying experience

 

I would have to disagree with this, using the &37NG's automation correctly in all phases of flight is a world away from flying a King air or a small Cessna.

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I would have to disagree with this, using the &37NG's automation correctly in all phases of flight is a world away from flying a King air or a small Cessna.

 Yes the technical procedures are different, turning on an autopilot and watching your NGX follow a magenta line for 2 hours is not much different experience doing the same thing in a 182, compared to say soaring thermals and ridges in a glider or flying an aerobatic routine in a Pitts. 

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To add to my last:

 

I forgot to say, prior to any reinstall that I do, I spend some serious time thinking about which add ons I am going to install next. And I am always realistic about it in regards to the limited power of my current PC. I strongly disagree with Pilottj; I never find my regional flights boring, no matter how it may sound.

 

Currently I have five aircraft and two helos installed, and lots of high quality scenery for Europe, and I'm using 69.9GB of my current 128Gb SSD.

 

Last week I also purchased and installed Aerosoft night texture for UK. This has been a game changer for me. I've put some comments and some screenshots in the appropriate forums here at Avsim. Just because I keep my FSX realistic does not mean that I make it boring or repetitive. I refuse to install military jets, as I can do nothing with them, and besides which I cannot get adequate frames for high speed operations. Although at one stage in the past I had the Skysim Hawk installed, and I flew the entire RAF Nav syllabus.

 

To finalize, I also found out a couple of weeks ago that Just Flight are going to release a payware version of the Socata TB20. This is what I've been waiting for. Most of my real time flying was logged in this model of aircraft, and it is well worthy of a good DX10 representation in FSX.

 

Guess I take my FSX a little seriously because of the realization that now, at 48 with a wife and three daughters, I probably won't get the opportunity to fly the real thing any more.

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To add to my last:

 

I forgot to say, prior to any reinstall that I do, I spend some serious time thinking about which add ons I am going to install next. And I am always realistic about it in regards to the limited power of my current PC. I strongly disagree with Pilottj; I never find my regional flights boring, no matter how it may sound.

 

Currently I have five aircraft and two helos installed, and lots of high quality scenery for Europe, and I'm using 69.9GB of my current 128Gb SSD.

 

Last week I also purchased and installed Aerosoft night texture for UK. This has been a game changer for me. I've put some comments and some screenshots in the appropriate forums here at Avsim. Just because I keep my FSX realistic does not mean that I make it boring or repetitive. I refuse to install military jets, as I can do nothing with them, and besides which I cannot get adequate frames for high speed operations. Although at one stage in the past I had the Skysim Hawk installed, and I flew the entire RAF Nav syllabus.

 

To finalize, I also found out a couple of weeks ago that Just Flight are going to release a payware version of the Socata TB20. This is what I've been waiting for. Most of my real time flying was logged in this model of aircraft, and it is well worthy of a good DX10 representation in FSX.

 

Guess I take my FSX a little seriously because of the realization that now, at 48 with a wife and three daughters, I probably won't get the opportunity to fly the real thing any more.

 

I never said that A - B was boring...heck I just finished flying the Turbine Duke around the world...point A - A...the long way lol  I am merely suggesting to the OP that if you are feeling 'bored' in FSX, you may consider venturing outside your self imposed boundries and try other types of flying besides flying A - B.   Try the unknown or the unfamiliar, you might find you like it.

 

Cheers

TJ

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I think what would really add to the sim as well is some additional payware mission sets, but ones that contain many variations, and you do not have to fly them for too long a time (Which was one of Dougals original points - the free time he has available to him).

 

When M$ made the original missions in FSX and acceleration for example, I found a lot of the aircraft types inappropriate for given mission. For example, after working for Bristow, I find it very unlikely that anybody would attempt to conduct SAR in a Jetranger.

 

Interesting post guys. :-)

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I’m starting to come around to the idea that I should pick my 3 favorite planes –a nearly impossible task- and just fly those. Or even better pick just one, if my attention span could handle that. I jump between planes so often I forget the nuances of each, and there’s always an adjustment period. Mastering one plane would be quite rewarding. Too many options, too much fun to be had in too many types of planes in too many different places around the world for me to stick to one though. For many years, people complained about FSX not supporting certain features, and now that almost each and every one of our whims is provided for, we complain that our cups are running over. My hardest decision now is just choosing where and what to fly. And what a wonderful decision that is to make!

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Isn't that the beauty tho?   You can fly an NGX from A to B, or a Turbine Duke, or Cessna or whatever.  You can simulate being a career pilot, you can simulate being a GA aircraft owner.   You can fly modern gadget filled automated computerized planes or you can fly old school stick and rudder fabric covered antiques. You can also enjoy the challenge of mastering a thoroughbred like a Spitfire or a vintage workhorse DC-6 (Soon), you can take an EE Lightning to the edge of space, you can trap an F-14 onto a carrier, you can ride ridges in a glider, you can attempt to nail that riverbank strip in a bush plane, and so on.  None of these are 'unrealistic' aviation activities, and if you chose by chance to do something unrealistic, more power to you.

 

In fact for many of us, I would bet we have roughly an equal chance of getting a ride in an EE Lighting as we do getting left seat time in a 737.   

 

I urge developers to keep bringing out more choices, more variety, keep bringing out the new experiences.  This hobby, be it FSX, P3D, X-Plane or whatever, has an unlimited horizon.

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Isn't that the beauty tho?   You can fly an NGX from A to B, or a Turbine Duke, or Cessna or whatever.  You can simulate being a career pilot, you can simulate being a GA aircraft owner.   You can fly modern gadget filled automated computerized planes or you can fly old school stick and rudder fabric covered antiques. 

 

That is something that continues to amaze me about the platform, that it can simulate such a wide range of activities. One type of flying is not like the other. Many people have an entire sim world based on military aviation, some on purely retro aviation - including scenery for both. And some people are even using FSX as an open maritime world for sailing simulation. The possibilities are endless. 

 

My two favorite forms of aviation are bush flight and commercial medium/long haul, two opposite sides of the spectrum. My interest in both has led me to other areas of aviation, namely aerobatic, GA, and regional turbo prop operation. It has amazed me to see that I can accurately simulate all forms of aviation I wish to a very exacting degree. Really incredible things have been happening recently in weather, flight planning, avionics, and scenery. These developments, along with the continued breakthroughs toward realism by aircraft developers, has led to an astounding flight experience. To repeat my previous sentiment, my biggest limitation is my own lack of imagination in deciding a flight plan.

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Fortunately it is not another add-on since it runs outside of FSX, P3D, DX10 before starting the Sim with pre configured flights and situations of your choice.   Helped my situation ironically.

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Some good feedback here, for which i'm grateful. I do have Scenery Config Manager installed, and DO deselect areas not currently in use (more for OOM prevention than anything else).  MUCH easier than uninstalling, ESPECIALLY when it comes to photo scenery.

 

The other thing I do, or try to, is cut and paste most aircraft folders not currently in use, to a folder not being read by the cfg file. If nothing else, it certainly massively speeds up load times. What it doesn't do though, is remove all the bleeping entries in the DLL.XML and EXE.XML files. I think all those modules etc must have an impact. I suppose the answer there is change their entries, but even using Sim Starter or the like for that, sort of removes a lot of the spontaneity.

 

As for whoever stated he found it very hard to believe I use all my addons… Believe whatever you wish. Do bear in mind though that I don’t work. My average FSX use is probably close to 8-10 hrs per day!  When I can’t sleep, I’ve often been in FSX for 36-48 stints. Ha! Just ask my wife!!! ;-)


Fortunately it is not another add-on since it runs outside of FSX, P3D, DX10 before starting the Sim with pre configured flights and situations of your choice.   Helped my situation ironically.

I did try this but didn't like it.  Guess its time i tried again;-)

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