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Navigraph Extension Pack for the S550 Citation II released!

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I know some were saying it would be 12-15 dollars and weren't exactly sold...but hell, 6 bucks isn't bad. 

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Awaiting your reports, gentlemen. :smile: How reliable is it, are there any obvious bugs?

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I know some were saying it would be 12-15 dollars and weren't exactly sold...but hell, 6 bucks isn't bad. 

For 12 days only though...

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For 12 days only though...

True...Did they ever say what it was going to raise to? I can't seem to find it anywhere.

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Need moar info (please)!

 

Who's got it - I'm at work so u can't get it yet

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I got it - more bugs than I can count.

Navigraph doesn't recognise the Carenado Citation, so it doesn't update (yet).

Adding a DTO waypoint not in the flight plan will erase your flight plan. The fuel remaining shows a fluctuating total running into 6 figures. The NAV button doesn't show any leg info, it switches the HSI from NAV to GPS. You cannot access your FPL legs in flight, instead you get just a summary page. It's nice to see your flight plan added to the HSI and see traffic displayed, the terrain works, but I was not able to get the Wx displayed but I'm sure I'll be able to work it out. Worth the money? - Well you've bought the Citation already so it's worth the extra, but it's still needing a huge amount of work. No obvious documentation with it, but it installed okay into my P3D v2.5.

Gary

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I got it - more bugs than I can count...

 

...No obvious documentation with it, but it installed okay into my P3D v2.5.

 

I'm not sure that this is P3D v2.5 compatible.  There's no mention of it in the description, only 2.0 and from my understanding, 2.5 has some fairly substantial modifications from 2.0 that probably are the source of some of your issues.

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Hi CAPFlyer - yes you're right - it says 2.0 compatable not 2.5. Always read the small print....

Ah well, back to the hanger with it. I've raised a support ticket with Carenado.

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Does the CDI show deviation on the EHSI when navigating using the FMS?

 

You said if you DTO a waypoint not in your FP it deletes current FP. What happens if you DTO a waypoint in your FP - will that work? Or not because you can't access LEGS page?

 

I don't usually DTO a fix not in my FP.

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If it only runs in 2.0 what good is that as most hard core simmers are using the latest versions of P3D - I would assume - not ranting just a thought 

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I got it .........

 

The most pressing thing for me, is to find out how to stop the MFD from always displaying all waypoints in the area.   It's driving me nuts!  Especially when setting the range up to something like 100nm;  you have all these mushed up waypoints crammed on to the MFD.   The MFD has no hardware buttons (that I can find) to control what is displayed on it (waypoints, airports, etc).

 

I am praying we are not stuck with these waypoints being displayed all the time.

 

That aside, well the new Navigraph/FMS did successfully navigate me from KNEW to KECP. Flight Plan entry is odd; you add the airports in the first couple of FPL entries, and then have to 'sneak in' the en-route waypoints in between them.  When I selected an approach into KECP, the FMS deleted my remaining enroute waypoint .......... yep, it's pretty buggy.... it's a Carenado.


 

 


What happens if you DTO a waypoint in your FP - will that work?

 

Yes that works - as in it will then navigate you directly to the DTO'd waypoint..... but the linear representation of the performed DTO doesn't look right.   The original course was still displayed but had changed to white - and I don't think there was a new magenta line to the DTO'd waypoint.

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Hi Ryan, yes you can DTO a waypoint in your current plan. If you try to add a waypoint to get a longer run on final, then the whole plan deletes, although the single DTO waypoint works okay. I have managed to get the FPL page to show in flight, but it's still far too buggy. I updated the Navigraph manager and the 1503 upate was loaded, but no runways show for arrival airport - I tried EGCC and EGBB and it's just not working for me. As P3D 2.5 is the current version I'm surprised Carenado released a 2.0 compatible program (if that is the cause - I'm beginning to wonder if it's just a poor release).

Nearly forgot - there's no option to add airways routes either.

It's getting dangerously close to the 'uninstall a program' button.

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Well it is their first navigraph release but looks like its got a way to go

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I hope, Carenado can solve current limitations as they are putting on risk their future sales with the Hawker 850 XP.

 

Clear skies,

 

Jcmmg

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I updated the File with the newest Navigraph release. This was without any issue

 

As reported already above I cant find any documentation.

All the waypoints are listed and make nearly unpossible to ready anything in the MFD. Was not able to find the right button to switch that off

 

Also for me it is not clear how to add waypoints after chossing the departure and arrival airport (and the SID & STARS)

Maybe sombebody can give me a hand and could explain it to me? If I enter a waypoint it is always at the end of the FP. I guess I need to click somewhere to put the WP in the right place/row

 

Also if I create a FP externaly in Flightsim Commander or PFPX and save it into the FSX. How can I load this FP in the MFD now? I guess it is not possible right? ;-)

 

Cheers,

Mark

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I just added 2 pop-up panels to the Citation ( GPS and the Autopilot pop up window from my Falcon 50 ) and using it until I sort this out. The Autopilot has been a bit quirky along with the heading bug.  Wish it had a 2D cockpit. 

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Mark - Select your destination waypoint on the FPL page and enter your route waypoint in its place. Your destination will reappear underneath once ENTER is pressed. There is no airways functionality (or if there is - its not apparent to me), just add each waypoint one at a time. VNAV is not working as it should - pressing NAV or VNAV just swaps NAV to GPS. Every single waypoint needs an appropriate ALT entered into the FMC (no option to leave this blank and climb to cruise - it's a lot of guesswork). There appears to me to be no option to enter an arrival runway even with the 1503 Navigraph update. Good luck with it Mark.

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Here's a 7 min video that may help with waypoint and Star entry into the FMS

 

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Also for me it is not clear how to add waypoints after chossing the departure and arrival airport (and the SID & STARS)

 

You first enter the two airport ICAOs, then you need to click on the destination ICAO airport again and then enter your first waypoint and press enter.   This will 'sandwich' the new waypoint in between the airport ICAOs.

 

Repeat for all waypoints.

 

Clunky system and not how the real world UNS works.

 

Now, CARENADO, how do we remove all the local waypoints from the MFD display, pleeeeaaase?! :smile:

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rather use the F1 GTN, but at least Carenado are having a go.

 

Rick

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I have yet to get my hands on the update, but Carenado stated that you would be able to enter airways.

 

The UNS-1 has a unique way of entering airways, not as intuitive as others.

 

For example on the above video out of Denver.

 

Enter your departure airport - KDEN

 

Make sure the cursor is on the next line below KDEN and enter the first point on the airway (think of this as the on-ramp) We will select DEN

 

Again make sure the cursor is on the next line under DEN and select LIST.

 

After you select list on the right side position 2R should say AIR WAYS. Select this and in the middle of the screen should be all of the airways that pass through DEN. (You may have to use PREV NEXT to see them all.) For example we will select reference number for J116.

 

After you select J116 across the top the airway should be building DEN - J116 and now we need to select the exit ramp. Again in the middle of the CDU we should see all of the waypoints that make up J116 and we may need to use PREV NEXT to find the one we want. We can also enter the waypoint directly in our case we will select FFU. So you can either find the reference number for FFU or type in FFU and press ENTER.

 

Once this is complete FPL should show up next to 5R to take us back to the flightplan and all of the points between DEN and FFU on J116.

 

^^^^ This is how the real UNS-1 operates with SCN 802/902/1000/1100. Again I have not received a copy of Carenado's update so YMMV. :rolleyes:

 

 

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Well it is their first navigraph release but looks like its got a way to go

Same impression here. Carenado made the right move to go for more detailed gauges but it seems like it needs more than one small update.  :mellow:

 

Currently running the ISG mod from Janek and it's a stable basis so far plus a gain over my rather simple RXP 530 addition which I had before.

 

Thanks to Steve for that video on the new gauges btw. In the video, you are entering things in the VC only. Is there a 2D popup for the FMC available?

 

In case I've missed it. What Navigraph format are they using? Adapted from an existing one or should we expect the new and own 'Carenado' one to come alive within the next cycle?

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