Performance is a hardware balance - best way to think of it is water flowing thru pipes.  If you have a really good GPU that can flow 1000 gallons per minute of water, but a CPU that can only flow 500 gallons per minute of water then your flow is limited by the CPU.  If you have a CPU that can flow 2000 gallons per minute, but the GPU can only flow 500 gallons per minute then your flow is limited to 500 gallons per minute.  

 

Graphics settings define your required flow rate ... if you set the graphics setting such that you need 1000 gallons per minute water flow, then you need to find the hardware match (motherboard, CPU, GPU) that can flow 1000 gallons per minute.

 

Obviously this is a simplified analogy, but it's a good way to thing how your MB/CPU/GPU need to "find the balance".

 

... if you run 1920 x 1080 then the GPU will do less work, however 1920 x 1080 is more likely to need SGSS AA to reduce shimmers/sparkles so this is where a 980Ti will do better at 1920 x 1080.  For some people no shimmers and better AA is a high priority.  

 

Brings me back, but get the balance right ...

 

Cheers, Rob. 

980ti and no improvement? What a load of tosh!!  I am running a 980ti and a 4790k - and the visuals are verifiably and incredibly the dogz bollox!   If you can't, won't or don't see the incredible performance difference that V3 gives with this setup then you must be doing something wrong.

If you can't, won't or don't see the incredible performance difference that V3 gives with this setup then you must be doing something wrong.

As Rob pointed out - something may not be in balance. You just cannot throw a new part in and expect miracles. The mobo, CPU, memory, drives and GPU have to be in sync or performance and/or visuals will suffer.

 

Vic

and the visuals are verifiably and incredibly the dogz bollox! 

 

This is a Ladies and Gentemans club :Shame On You:     Not some backyard booze garage :smile:

 

I have been following the thread, interesting stuff, dont have time to reply properly, but will over weekend

Please forgive him, Elaine. He's from Barrow-in-Furness. The more refined residents of south Cumbria live up the road in Ulverston :wink:

I still have a GTX 580 is it worth upgrading from that or shall i wait for the pascal cards to come out my cpu is a 4790k at 4.6 thanks.

980ti and no improvement? What a load of tosh!!  I am running a 980ti and a 4790k - and the visuals are verifiably and incredibly the dogz bollox!   If you can't, won't or don't see the incredible performance difference that V3 gives with this setup then you must be doing something wrong.

 

You pobably expect different things from a GPU than I do. :wink: I did nothing wrong: the 980 Ti did not deliver what I wanted. I am not the only one to whom that has happened. I was not looking for improved or utterly beautiful AA or incredible high resolutions, which are achievable with that card, no doubt about that, but I wanted improved performance with the very high settings I am currently using. And that didn't happen. That's it.

 

It's a common mistake for flightsimmers to think that what he or she likes in a sim is what everyone else also likes in a sim. Just like it is a common mistake that "it performs absolutely awesome" means the same to everyone. It doesn't. I found out once more during the last week that reading about how the sim performs on someone's PC, even with similar or the exact same hardware, is totally and utterly useless unless the person who says this also posts every single detail of the PC and the used settings and also everything what that person desires from a sim and what his or hers definitions ot those desires are.... Since this usually won't happen you have to figure it all out yourself. Which is what I did. And it didn't work out for me. That can happen. I am happy it worked out for you though. :wink:

I still have a GTX 580 is it worth upgrading from that or shall i wait for the pascal cards to come out my cpu is a 4790k at 4.6 thanks.

 

As I just posted (while you were typing): we can't answer that question if you don't tell us everything about your hardware, ALL the settings in the sim and cfg, the resolution or your monitor(s), what way you fly, what you expect from the sim, etc. etc. If you really want to know if an upgrade is worth it, you should buy a new GPU from a shop that allows you to return it. That's what I did and that's the only way to get a valuable answer. Every answer to your question that's not taking the above into account should not be trusted. :wink:

i have an asus sabertooth z97 mark 1 motherboard ram is ddr3 8gb at 1600 mhz i like to fly the airliners from places like heathrow  i am downloading p3d v3 as we speak so don't have any settings on it yet thanks.

This is a Ladies and Gentemans club :Shame On You:     Not some backyard booze garage :smile:

 

I have been following the thread, interesting stuff, dont have time to reply properly, but will over weekend

Oh! No.

 

That is akin to being told (on a Friday evening) that one should report to the HeadMasters' Study on Monday morning....?  Sort of kills your weekend doesn't it?  lol

Cest la vie

I  got the 980 ti purely to get rid of the horrible flashes I was getting,  the card gives plenty but compared to other games,  yes your not getting the amazing fps. I don't bother with the Fps anymore, just lock it at 32 and never look back.  You can turn everything up with all bits and bobs on and have it nice and steady.    Obviously Flight Simming software is a different breed to other AAA games and regarding Nvidea Drivers  Someone on here once said   "we are the red headed step children of the gaming world"    lol i thought hat was brilliant. 

 

 

 I downloaded and installed 3D Mark and did the FireStrike test. Score was 15909 and it was better than 97% of all scores for a similar PC as mine.

 

 

Anyway Jereom,  you must be doing something wrong because as you can see, i got 98%,  even with my little puney i7-3930K    :smile:

 

 

I went from a GTX 570 to 970 and saw no difference in FSX, and a minuscule gain in P3D 2.5

 

I saw a huge gain in XP10 though

Anyway Jereom, you must be doing something wrong because as you can see, i got 98%, even with my little puney i7-3930K :smile:

 

Nah, nothing wrong happening here. That CPU of yours isn't exactly 'little puney' and 3DMark is a real GPU tester. So that almost 1000 point difference is quite logical. And that your lower score gives a 1% higher percentage is probably a rounding error.

I saw a huge gain in XP10 though

 

Do you have HDR and good level of AA turned on in XP10?  I had to turn OFF HDR because of stutters and very poor performance in XP10 (i.e. 20 fps in 10.40).  When HDR is enabled the AA choices are not the same, but even at just 4X ... I went thru a long process of diagnostics and finally came to a compromise of graphics settings (and that's on my 5960x and Titan X setup).  I was VERY disappointed with the compromises I had to make to get acceptable (30 FPS) performance in XP10 ... I love XP10's HDR (especially the night lighting), but I just can't use it even in simple aircraft.  

 

So when I see people commenting about XP10's great performance, I'm really really puzzled as I'm pretty good at getting the most out of my hardware and flight sims.

 

Cheers, Rob.

 And that your lower score gives a 1% higher percentage is probably a rounding error.

 

I only got 94%  :mad:   Anyways, i don't care, even though your CPU is better for Gaming/Siming,  my CPU is a better Workstation then yours,  yes honestly i gogeled it on the internet  :smile:

 

Regarding X-Plane,  my performance is about the same as my old Gtx 690,  bounces around 25/26 with some stutters, spent too long messing around so went back P3D. 

Question for the 980ti club:

 

Running V3 + Global + ASN, My GPU usage was running about 48/50%.  I then went into NI and changed "Single Display Mode + Constant Power"  and a couple of other things, Now my GPU is running at 90/98%  Is that ok and safe?  Is it not like over reeving an engine?