We are a big number of real airline pilots here in the flight simulation world, when you have been flying general aviation and old style planes like the Md80 and actually you are flying something like a 737Ng or an Airbus you miss a lot the hand flying, and the old style workload of a cockpit, I like to fly vor or ndb app and keep opening the start valves in the engine start procedure without a Fadec doing it for me. I,ve been simming since I was 12 and my job is my dream, but this kind of products give you something that nowdays planes can not. And believe me, the practice that flight simming with realistic products that make your head think during any phase of the flight is something really useful for a real pilot. Best regards to everyone and don,t forget we all share the same hobby here.

I'll stop stirring when Sleadhead leaves to go back to his regular forum. You can follow him too. No one said the Rotate was a study sim! So, relax!!!

 

I'm perfectly relaxed. I'm not the one throwing accusations around nor have I suggested anyone leave the forum (nor am I going anywhere, I'm quite happy here, thanks).

 

A few people, myself included, asked whether it was a study sim as, to quote Rotate's own marketing, it features "advanced systems simulation".  We now have a credible answer as to the relative level of complexity.  No need to get excited.

I'll stop stirring when Sleadhead leaves to go back to his regular forum. You can follow him too. No one said the Rotate was a study sim! So, relax!!!

 

 

You'll get tired eventually, if you keep stirring.  I've been around these forums for 16 years... don't think I'm going anywhere.  Either way, thanks for your insightful input! 

 

We are a big number of real airline pilots here in the flight simulation world, when you have been flying general aviation and old style planes like the Md80 and actually you are flying something like a 737Ng or an Airbus you miss a lot the hand flying, and the old style workload of a cockpit, I like to fly vor or ndb app and keep opening the start valves in the engine start procedure without a Fadec doing it for me. I,ve been simming since I was 12 and my job is my dream, but this kind of products give you something that nowdays planes can not. And believe me, the practice that flight simming with realistic products that make your head think during any phase of the flight is something really useful for a real pilot. Best regards to everyone and don,t forget we all share the same hobby here.

 

I agree we all share the same hobby... but you can't even begin to compare it to the real 'Dog and for the price it's at, and the features listed that aren't implemented with any degree of accuracy or reliability... it's literally feeling like I was given a lemon.

 

With that said, the Rotate team are very responsive, and I have faith in their fixing of the many, many, issues that plague this release... I'm just upset at the shear number of issues that were, to me... so obvious.

Oh, Froogles. Case closed then.  :rolleyes:

 

The thing is, if you sat a real life captain with 8000 hours on PMDG aircraft, there would be many "concerns" in regards to realism too. That's the limitation of the PC flying sims, and while I agree that some developers make addons more close to reality than others, what Froogles said has no real value in regards of judging a piece of software in our flight simming reality. 

 

I think the answer to that is best left to when the video with the actual 8000 hour captain is released...  I have no interest in what Froogle says, however I do have interest in what his captain friend has to say.

You'll get tired eventually, if you keep stirring.  I've been around these forums for 16 years... don't think I'm going anywhere.  Either way, thanks for your insightful input! 

 

 

I agree we all share the same hobby... but you can't even begin to compare it to the real 'Dog and for the price it's at, and the features listed that aren't implemented with any degree of accuracy or reliability... it's literally feeling like I was given a lemon.

 

With that said, the Rotate team are very responsive, and I have faith in their fixing of the many, many, issues that plague this release... I'm just upset at the shear number of issues that were, to me... so obvious.

 

I think the answer to that is best left to when the video with the actual 8000 hour captain is released...  I have no interest in what Froogle says, however I do have interest in what his captain friend has to say.

...and yet, you won't take into account what a 15000 hour First Officer has as an opinion?

...and yet, you won't take into account what a 15000 hour First Officer has as an opinion?

1500  and if your read his post he basically confirmed. something can be not as acurate but be more fun. which is what he said.

 

stop stirring

I'm perfectly relaxed. I'm not the one throwing accusations around nor have I suggested anyone leave the forum (nor am I going anywhere, I'm quite happy here, thanks).

 

A few people, myself included, asked whether it was a study sim as, to quote Rotate's own marketing, it features "advanced systems simulation".  We now have a credible answer as to the relative level of complexity.  No need to get excited.

Pray tell, what credible answer do you have? What is your comparison and who are your reference points?

Pray tell, what credible answer do you have? What is your comparison and who are your reference points?

Re-read my first post to you. The answer came from the 1500 hour MD pilot, as I explained. I have made no assessment of the product myself.

 

I can only assume you either misread that or you are now simply trolling.

Re-read my first post to you. The answer came from the 1500 hour MD pilot, as I explained. I have made no assessment of the product myself.

 

I can only assume you either misread that or you are now simply trolling.

Jamie, you placard yourself as a P3D user, you can't hide that fact. No one was talking about the fidelity of simulated systems. An Md pilot came in and said it was very well done. Then, some FSX/P3D guy came in the forum to take a dump. He should have been asked to leave by a moderator. Avsim just allows this to go on and on...

Jamie, you placard yourself as a P3D user, you can't hide that fact. No one was talking about the fidelity of simulated systems. An Md pilot came in and said it was very well done. Then, some FSX/P3D guy came in the forum to take a dump. He should have been asked to leave by a moderator. Avsim just allows this to go on and on...

 

Penguin, I think you're right... he's got to be trolling now.

 

I use all 3 sims, as each has something the other doesn't.

 

 

Back on topic, I don't think you own it... the systems modelling is poor, end of story, and yes... I know what I'm talking about.

Penguin, I think you're right... he's got to be trolling now.

 

I use all 3 sims, as each has something the other doesn't.

 

 

Back on topic, I don't think you own it... the systems modelling is poor, end of story, and yes... I know what I'm talking about.

Explain why all your prior topics are P3D or FSX related?

Explain why all your prior topics are P3D or FSX related?

 

Papers, please?

 

LOL, is this guy serious?

 

:Whistle:

 

 

But, I'll be a nice guy and answer your completely irrelevant question...  maybe I don't find AVSIM the X-Plane community of choice, there are far older, more established communities out there for X-pilots.

Well, this has certainly drifted off topic and into a pissing contest.

Papers, please?

 

LOL, is this guy serious?

 

:Whistle:

 

 

But, I'll be a nice guy and answer your completely irrelevant question...  maybe I don't find AVSIM the X-Plane community of choice, there are far older, more established communities out there for X-pilots.

Just saw you added this...now I know who you really are...lol

So... back on topic!

 

The Rotate MD-80 is a beautiful model, albeit severely lacking in systems depth... I feel like the features list was over-exaggerated and the release did not fulfill the expectations of many, many people.

 

Rotate team is however working diligently to improve their release, and hopefully their patch satisfies many.

Greetings Ladies/Gents, The MD80 has been a long time favorite of mine. Some guys go for every single little detail/system of the real aircraft while others are more after the feel of the jet. I prefer a jet that has the feel and quirks of the real one. Systems are fine, but you never can fully simulate all systems on an aircraft. For example, I flew the real world KC-10A and the DC-10-30 for 9 years. A few developers have made a DC10, but have never been able to capture the full systems of the aircraft. For example, if flying the DC10 in the clean configuration and you happen to get slow/get the shaker, the outboard slats will automatically extend to the takeoff position. The Slat reset light will start flashing letting you know you have encountered auto slats. Pressing the slat reset light would cause the auto slats system to retract the outboard slats and reset the system. I've yet to see this simple system modeled. This definitely does not take away from a product. It all depends on how deep the developer wants to go. Lets look at real INS/IRS systems. When you initially turn them on, the system goes into a self test where position and batteries are checked. During these self checks, most systems will not accept a position. The IRS systems in Gulfstreams will actually perform a full count down and the align lights will flash if you tried to enter during the self test. Thats a 10 to 15 minute mistake. Again, I have yet to see this modeled. If the last position disagrees with what you are entering, again the align lights will flash letting you know something is amiss. If you enter that position twice, the IRS will accept the position whether its wrong or right. I've yet to see this modeled. But as a real world pilot who fly heavies and light jets, these issues have never detracted from any sim aircraft I've flown unless its far off the mark. Again, I'm more after the feel and characteristics of the aircraft mainly. As long as the automation and feel are where they should be, i feel a product is solid.

 

Now for this MD80. I have flown the cool sky, Leonardo and one other I can't remember. I remember the Leonardo having good systems but it could not make V2+10 shortly after lift off. You could only reach 15 degrees in pitch before the speed start rolling back. The engines also responded very quickly to throttle input.The systems modeling were nice, but it did not have that classic performance of the real 80. The Cool sky was a little better in performance, but seemed under powered and a bit too much ground effect requiring no flare. The engine indication was quirky also as you could not make takeoff EPR. These engines are a little sluggish at lower power, but once they are spooled, they respond. You would be on takeoff roll and the EPR would be slowly increasing on the cool sky. The systems were good enough for me but the performance was lacking. Now, this rotate MD80 has nailed the performance gents. Micky D had a thing about their wing design. The DC10 and the MD80 have high speed and low lift/drag wings. These type wings perform at altitude, but require good lift at takeoff and landing. The compromise was to add flaps and use slats to allow the aircraft to use AOA to produce the required lift. This is why the DC10 and MD80 has a high pitch angle on takeoff and landing. Take away those slats and the speeds involved increase greatly. I can land a DC10 with slats and no flaps at a much lower speed than a DC10 with full flaps and no slats. That's how these jets generate lift. Rotate has captured this performance. There were quirky things with the FMC and figuring CG, but hey, they captured the dial a flap system. I think this product is a good representation of the MD80 as i can't think of another that rivals it at this point. People complain when aircraft are delayed and they complain if they are missing features.