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Today, I had 19 important and recommended updates.  I have continuously hidden the updates that grooms W7 for W10 installation.  It seems that even with every one being hidden in that session, Microsoft, is changing the KBxxxxxxxx update library number, to sneak it by.  Now...there are two updates that will prepare your W7 for the W10 update.  

 

What I found I now need to do...is click on EACH update library number so as to see on the M.S. site what the update places/addresses on your system, if downloaded.  

 

Just a warning, that you now need to parse each update, before you allow it to download and install, unless you don't wish to keep your W7 integrity.

 

 

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Once I got everything working great sometime ago, I stopped updating my Win 7 OS. Sorry but I don't trust Microsoft either. My system now is frozen in time, and will probably stay that way for the foreseeable future.

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Once I got everything working great sometime ago, I stopped updating my Win 7 OS. Sorry but I don't trust Microsoft either. My system now is frozen in time, and will probably stay that way for the foreseeable future.

 

Exactly. My feeling is that if everything is working fine, any change is bad.

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For a few months after 10 was released I took the time each week to learn about each new update, but now there are so many I don't bother with any of them... except the Security Updates.  I study each of them, then (almost always) install the Security Updates.

 

Greg

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. Sorry but I don't trust Microsoft

 

OMG, you dont trust Microsoft.... You using their operating system & how many programs that originate from them??? :LMAO:

 

What about Google? All Gmails, info from ALL browsers, Facebook etc. Android, mapping,the list goes on.....

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OMG, you dont trust Microsoft.... You using their operating system & how many programs that originate from them??? :LMAO:

 

What about Google? All Gmails, info from ALL browsers, Facebook etc. Android, mapping,the list goes on.....

 

Exactly. They are in business to make money, as it should be. Best to remember that.

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I've had excellent results using the free GWX Control Panel to monitor and prevent the WIN 10 update files and other related claptrap off my computer.  It has good reviews on multiple sites. Check it out.

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Once I got everything working great sometime ago, I stopped updating my Win 7 OS. Sorry but I don't trust Microsoft either. My system now is frozen in time, and will probably stay that way for the foreseeable future.

 

Not a sensible choice I'm afraid. You need the security updates and if you don't install them and subsequently get attacked or infiltrated in some way you only have yourself to blame.

 

The only ones that need to be checked are the Windows Updates of which there only a few. I block the 2 or 3 that are W10 adverts and it takes very little time each month or two to do it.

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Not a sensible choice I'm afraid. You need the security updates and if you don't install them and subsequently get attacked or infiltrated in some way you only have yourself to blame.

 

The only ones that need to be checked are the Windows Updates of which there only a few. I block the 2 or 3 that are W10 adverts and it takes very little time each month or two to do it.

 

Actually, it depends on the use of the computer. My Win 7 machines are connected to the internet about 3 minutes a day max when I download the ASN weather. Other than that they are offline. My original Win 7 security is adequate for that exposure. So I never have and never will allow windows updates to be downloaded, much less installed. My FSX runs perfectly on either machine. I do nothing else with them.

Cheers

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My rig that I have online is well protected, but my flysim box only goes online to download weather, and P3D is the only thing I have on it, but yes you're right there is a chance it could get hacked.

 

Cheers

Martin

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Actually, it depends on the use of the computer. My Win 7 machines are connected to the internet about 3 minutes a day max when I download the ASN weather. Other than that they are offline. My original Win 7 security is adequate for that exposure. So I never have and never will allow windows updates to be downloaded, much less installed. My FSX runs perfectly on either machine. I do nothing else with them.

Cheers

 

I have a dedicated FSX PC that I rarely use to browse the internet but it's part of my home network so disconnecting it from the internet would cause network problems.

 

But all you have to do is browse the list of updates and select the ones that will keep your PC protected and 'hide' any you don't want. It's your choice but it's akin to throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

 

You also have to allow 3rd party software access to the internet for verification purposes so it's not just for ASN.

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What's the problem if you refuse to upgrade to Windows 10? I don't understand this "grooming Windows 7 for Windows 10" issue. What does that mean? :huh:

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What's the problem if you refuse to upgrade to Windows 10? I don't understand this "grooming Windows 7 for Windows 10" issue. What does that mean? :huh:

It means, that if you allow those two KB's to install, now, in the background, there will be two new folders, in your root, that will be GB's of temp W10 install files, that will sit on your system, even if you do not intend to ever fully install W10.  That is the 'system grooming'...having most of the files ALREADY downloaded onto your system, and done without your knowledge or consent for storage of same.  M.S. is starting to act, in a most Draconian manner, as far as I am concerned. Ram-It-Down-Your-Throat mentality....

 

Google root folders for Temp Windows 10 install files.  You will see where they are, what they are named, and how you can delete them and all their ballast content. 

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One of my main concerns about the move to 10 was having a valid product key. From what I have now read Microsoft will allow a 7 or 8 key to be used to register 10. This is important for a clean install.

 

I think it 80/20 likely I will switch to 10 by July but I'll tread warily. I have 2 desktop PCs and a laptop. I'll probably test 10 on the second desktop (it doesn't have FSX installed) and if that goes successfully then the others will probably follow.

 

The alternative is to wait 4 years until the end of support for 7 and then have to buy 3 licences assuming I still have those machines in 4 years. That will be an ongoing cost as it's possible 10 will be a subscription OS by then and not a one-off payment. Hard to call that one.

 

Has anyone installed 10 directly from a downloadable file rather than go through this process of letting 7 download the files in the background? Is it better to do a clean install or are you forced to go through the update path first?

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Hi Ray,

 

Maybe it was me - but I had all kinds of security - running various programs - issues with the "upgrade" path... After a couple months - decided it was time for a complete wipe new install - works better now... One frustration for me is I still enjoy FS9 as well as P3D - and many of my old Flight1 products will not install because the Flight1 Wrapper doesn't work... Flight1 is aware and have reported they are updating them but progress is extremely slow...

 

Regards,
Scott

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I've installed a few times by using the down-loaded 'MediaCreation Tool' .

My 2x laptops were Windows 7 on my i5 & Windows 8.1 on my newer (work) laptop, & i really battled with the normal auto upgrade. Using the MediaCreation Tool on both laptops went seamlessly. Everything worked, my previously 8.1 laptop needed it's graphic drivers updated, & the i5's web cam could not find drivers. Not surprising, as it has a generic webcam, & the last drivers were updated in 2005! So, I'm not hssled about that at all.

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Has anyone installed 10 directly from a downloadable file rather than go through this process of letting 7 download the files in the background? Is it better to do a clean install or are you forced to go through the update path first?

 

Hi Ray

 

I had issues with trying to Upgrade to Windows 10 Pro from my Windows 7 Pro as it would not for some obscure reason let me upgrade. But as I had just fitted a new larger SSD drive, I went for the option of a 'Clean Install' from a downloadable exe file, and everything went flawlessly from there onwards. But I have taken control of how Windows 10 runs, specially as far as the 'phone-home-ET' privacy and data collection issues with Windows 10 that has irked many.

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Hi Scott,

 

That's why I would leave my FSX PC until the others have been done. The longer I leave it the greater the chance that these problems will be fixed.

 

I admit to avoiding Flight1 because of their policy of installing software. I find it extremely frustrating to keep having to prove I am a registered owner. A simple email address and product key used by Aerosoft and SimMarkets is much better. But I digress.


Hi Ray
 
I had issues with trying to Upgrade to Windows 10 Pro from my Windows 7 Pro as it would not for some obscure reason let me upgrade. But as I had just fitted a new larger SSD drive, I went for the option of a 'Clean Install' from a downloadable exe file, and everything went flawlessly from there onwards. But I have taken control of how Windows 10 runs, specially as far as the 'phone-home-ET' privacy and data collection issues with Windows 10 that has irked many.

 

Hi Rick,

 

That would irritate me. Sounds like a clean install is the better option but I suppose the upgrade option (when it works) gives you the opportunity to roll-back should you decide you didn't want to keep it. I believe you have to choose the Custom Install and not Easy one so you can control all the invasive elements.

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Hi Ray

 

Yes, it allows you to roll back. During the installation process, it creates a folder called Windows.old, which is your previous OS.

 

So far, I've not had issues with it in FSX-SE except for maybe one or two airport add-ons. But the main thing is to control its data collection for advertising purposes, akin to riding the 'Big Wave' but being in control. CA mag(WHS,etc) ran a very good feature in how to manage it.

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Hi Rick,

 

Roll-back with clean install is useful, thanks.

 

I hope to God I'm not going to see tailored adverts popping up. Or any adverts come to that.

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My rig that I have online is well protected, but my flysim box only goes online to download weather, and P3D is the only thing I have on it, but yes you're right there is a chance it could get hacked.

 

Cheers

Martin

Been doing exactly what you say for 10 years with XP and 7. Never had a security problem.

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I have to chime in here.   For the folks considering 10.  I personally do a clean 7 install, then upgrade to 10 for free as I own a few 7 keys.  After the install I clean out system files using the disk clean up utility that will up the window.old files.  As for the security concerns of windows 10, a quick google can instruct on how to shut it all down.  And you can shut it ALL down.  

 

I find 10 runs way better than 7 for day to day use.  It seems lighter and faster to me.   Most of everything I have sim related can be installed.  My many aircraft, GTN software, orbx, all run Great!!  And hiccups I have are typically solved quickly here with the help of the great folks on Avsim.  

 

I love 10, I won't go back an couldn't imagine a good reason for staying with 7, aside from the standard re-install woes which I completely understand.   

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The best reason for staying with Windows 7 is that it works just fine. Why mess with a working system?

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The best reason for staying with Windows 7 is that it works just fine. Why mess with a working system?

 

Long-term planning I think. Support for 7 ends in 2020 when wise people will have to switch to 10. That will cost an unknown amount. You might even have to subscribe rather than pay a one-off amount for a valid licence.

My rig that I have online is well protected, but my flysim box only goes online to download weather, and P3D is the only thing I have on it, but yes you're right there is a chance it could get hacked.

 

Cheers

Martin

 

So you don't subscribe to Navigraph or install commercial software that requires the product key be validated?

 

You seem overly wary of being connected to the internet. Why? If you connect through a router the firewall in that is sufficient to protect you from all but professional hackers.

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There are many different aspects to this hobby and that is exactly why it is such a great hobby.Some people like to develop software, some people like to tweak the sim and addons, some like to fly the sim, and probably many more aspects. It is great. For myself, if I never buy another aircraft or download another scenery, I could continue until I'm too old to see the VC with just what we have now. Today I had two neighbors over to see my setup. One of them knows something about software and she was simply astounded at what we have. She sat and watched me fly the approach into KHXD with lots of A/I traffic, lots of ATC, and beautiful scenery. Maybe sometimes we forget what a wonderful hobby we have.

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