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Are airports runways directions/numbers fixed compare to FSX?

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Thinking of jumping ship from FSX to P3d and i have a couple of questions I would like to ask:

 

In FSX some airports have the runway number incorrect, mostly off by one digit. For example, LTBA has runway 23 in real life, has runway 23 in PMDG 737 but is 24 in FSX and is not right messing up my flight which is mostly with PMDG 737. Have airports been revised and fixed in P3D?

 

FSX has a notorious bug where text disappears when asked a question from ATC and you cannot reply unless you do the "way around" which is to change frequency and change it again, has this nonsense been fixed in P3D?

 

Thank you

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The LTBA runway was correctly named 24 when FSX was created. Runway designations change over time as the magnetic North pole moves. If you use an up to date Airac you will always risk your sim being out of date.

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If you download ade you can manually change the runway numbers

You can also change the actual heading as well

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thank you for your replies, they all help, so can I assume that P3D being a more recent software doesn't have this magnetic pole problem?

also, what about the ATC bug?

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so can I assume that P3D being a more recent software doesn't have this magnetic pole problem?

 

 

Navaids update Read me file clearly states that it is supposed to update FSX, FS9 AND P3D (all versions) !!! i guess this answer my question about P3D not having updated airports....that's disappointing

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Navaids update Read me file clearly states that it is supposed to update FSX, FS9 AND P3D (all versions) !!! i guess this answer my question about P3D not having updated airports....that's disappointing

 

It's a question as to what you mean by "update". The Navaid file updates ILS frequencies so you can use current Airac files and use the frequencies and procedures. It does not update the runways, for instance, in KFLL the main runways are 9L and 9R but they are now renamed  in real life , 10L and 10R. If you pull up to the runway entrance in P3D, the runway markings on signs and runway will still have the old numbering. 

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It's a question as to what you mean by "update". 

 

I am talking about the runways having the old numbering. I would expect that a fairly recent software that can be as expensive as $199 to come with the runways corrected and not simply inherit the old ones from a 2006 software. Ultimately i have the feeling that P3D is a better choice than FSX but I am not sure that is worth at least for me, not if i have to apply some of the same fixes and patches. ATC from what I read has stayed the same too. The only real thing that would attract me to P3d from what I read is a better handing of the PC hardware resources but as long as FSX runs really smoothly I don't really care much...not for that $$. (ofcourse i may in the end go for it simply because it is supported whereas FSX is dead, at least officially). 

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If its just runway numbers your concerned over,use ade and change the number of the runway manually.

It will then show up in the sim with the correct one.

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It does not update the runways, for instance, in KFLL the main runways are 9L and 9R but they are now renamed  in real life , 10L and 10R. If you pull up to the runway entrance in P3D, the runway markings on signs and runway will still have the old numbering.

 

Guys, just take the time to read what is provided

 

The FSX/P3D World Navaids package will update navigational aids (VORs, NDBs) in selectable world areas (worldwide coverage)...In Europe region, all data (VORs, NDBs, ILSs, runway identifiers, approach lighting systems, PAPIs and optionally intersections) are corrected.

ILS/Rwy regional updates will correct ILSsrunway identifiersmarkers and all embedded NDBs in other regions than Europe. In the US, lightings and PAPIs are also corrected

 

Consequently KFLL runway numbering is corrected in North America ILS/Rwy regional update..but not in FSX/P3D World Navaids package

 

Hope it will clarify

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It's a question as to what you mean by "update". The Navaid file updates ILS frequencies so you can use current Airac files and use the frequencies and procedures. It does not update the runways, for instance, in KFLL the main runways are 9L and 9R but they are now renamed  in real life , 10L and 10R. If you pull up to the runway entrance in P3D, the runway markings on signs and runway will still have the old numbering. 

 

Nope, the runway markings are updated as well if you install the correct packages.. :smile:

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Nope, the runway markings are updated as well if you install the correct packages.. :smile:

 

  I am now sitting on what is runway 10L at FLL ( where I soloed BTW) and I am looking at the signs in P3D and markings on the runway and they look like this   9L

 

I have installed both packages. It changes the magnetic variation, which it clearly states in the Install readme, not the runway signs or numbers. 

 

2016-6-4_17-32-10-616.png

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Just download a recent AFCAD for airports you want corrected. Applies to both P3D and FSX.

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In my FSX, this runway is now marked as 10L.

 

No AFCADs required..

 

Well it doesn't work in P3D. In addition that file is really small, how is going to update and change every runway marking and airport signage on every airport  from such a small file?  

In my FSX and P3D, this runway is now marked as 10L.

 

install this:

 

http://www.aero.sors.fr/hfiles/NorthAmericaUpdate.zip

 

No AFCADs required..

 

 

Already installed, several times, updated periodically. 

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I just installed it for P3D, and it did change the runway markings at KFLL..

 

Select "North America" on this page:

 

http://www.aero.sors.fr/navaids3.html

 

That is the one I use, and I use the auto installer. Now I am thinking that I have My Traffic 6, which has BGL's for many airports including KFLL. Possibly that is why the runway numbers are not changing when I run this updater. Actually the old numbers don't bother me, since that was the way they were when I got my license.  :wink:

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Well yes, if you have another program that overrides it... all bets are off.

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Well yes, if you have another program that overrides it... all bets are off.

 

Now I am curious, so I just posted this question on the forum for this updater. I will report back what Herve says. 

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That is the one I use, and I use the auto installer. Now I am thinking that I have My Traffic 6, which has BGL's for many airports including KFLL. Possibly that is why the runway numbers are not changing when I run this updater. Actually the old numbers don't bother me, since that was the way they were when I got my license. :wink:

Herve's program updates the default airport BGL files, any higher-priority AFCAD that may exist for the same airport will take precedence, and can prevent the updated runway marking from being visible.

 

I have a freeware KFLL AFCAD that I downloaded from the Avsim file library a couple of years ago, to improve the default terminal and gate layouts. I also apply Herve's navaid and ILS updates every month. If I disable the add-on AFCAD in the scenery library, the runways at KFLL are marked 10-28 - when it is enabled, they are the older 9-27.

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Herve's program updates the default airport BGL files, any higher-priority AFCAD that may exist for the same airport will take precedence, and can prevent the updated runway marking from being visible.

 

I have a freeware KFLL AFCAD that I downloaded from the Avsim file library a couple of years ago, to improve the default terminal and gate layouts. I also apply Herve's navaid and ILS updates every month. If I disable the add-on AFCAD in the scenery library, the runways at KFLL are marked 10-28 - when it is enabled, they are the older 9-27.

 

 

That was it.  I just renamed KFLL.bgl in the My Traffic 6 scenery directory to passive, and then went to the airport in P3D, and now the runways are 10 L and 10 R and the taxiway signs have all been changed. So Bert was correct, and the MT6 airports override the changes  that are made by the  Navaid update.  

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That was it.  I just renamed KFLL.bgl in the My Traffic 6 scenery directory to passive, and then went to the airport in P3D, and now the runways are 10 L and 10 R and the taxiway signs have all been changed. So Bert was correct, and the MT6 airports override the changes  that are made by the  Navaid update

 

That's correct. Now, if you like to keep your 3rd party scenery (because it provides some enhancements), a possible way is just to change runway numbering inside your KFLL.bgl  (for your personal use) using the ILS/Runway inspector and editor tool you'll find on my site. Many scenery editors do not provide updates at the time such changes occur. A backup of the original file is automatically done by the software, so you don't have to worry about that. Taxiway signs and associated approaches (if any) will be updated accordingly. You can give it a try       

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