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HI,

 

too much obsolete stuff and corrupted files convinced me to do a reinstall of my 6 years old FSX setup. But I ran into an annoying problem: when I run the installer of my FSX Gold Version, starting with Disk 1, it tells me it cannot install because "You cannof upgrade between standard and deluxe versions of FSX, uninstall first" and aborts immediately.

 

I double checked my Installed software list, used CCleaner and ran an MS ulitity that is supposed to fix issues regarding uninstallations. All without success.

 

I am using Win7 64bit.

 

Anyone knows what else I could do? Delete registry entries manually? If so, how do I find them?

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There was only one FSX Entry in the Software list showing, and that was Acceleration. I uninstalled it after removing all the Addons. After that, there was no FSX Basic Entry there, therefore I deleted the Folders manually according to the PMDG Guide:

 

http://support.precisionmanuals.com/kb/a87/how-to-uninstall-and-reinstall-fsx.aspx

and ran CCleaner. After that and restarting the FSX Basic Entry again popped up again, I tried to use the uninstaller, and it told me the program has already been removed and the Entry was deleted.

 

Afterwards I used a Microsoft Tool "MicrosoftProgram_Install_and_Uninstall.meta" which still could locate FSX but "successfully removed" it.

 

Now, neither in the Registry nor in my Explorer there seem to be FSX leftovers, but I still cannot install again but instead get this Cop-like error message....

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Did you clean the registry?  If not there might still be (probably will be) remnants of your previous installation.

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Reading through your link to PMDG uninstall, in step 3 it said after uninstalling Acceleration you should

have been left with FSX.  I think you missed something.  I have FSX Standard with SP1 and 2.  When I

uninstall I have to uninstall each SP and then FSX.

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Did you clean the registry?  If not there might still be (probably will be) remnants of your previous installation.

 

I ran CCleaner multiple times. If I need to remove something else manually or use another tool, than thats what I asked for in this thread. ;)

 

Update: just tried Wise Registry Cleaner without any luck

 

Update 2: my next try involved getting TweakFS Registry Utility and let it search for FSX entries. Indeed, there still was one that specified the path. I deleted it.

 

But I still cant install. This doesn't make any sense to me in a technical way....

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I ran CCleaner multiple times. If I need to remove something else manually or use another tool, than thats what I asked for in this thread. ;)

 

Update: just tried Wise Registry Cleaner without any luck

 

CClearner is a great program, but it's not comprehensive in what it removes.   I've had better luck with Revo Uninstaller Pro followed by CCleaner.

 

I recommend looking in the path you initially installed FSX in, as well as AppData\Roaming, ProgramData and My Documents to insure all traces of FSX, or FSX support files have been removed.

 

Then run Regedit and search for any occurrences of FSX or Microsoft Flight Simulator, etc. 

 

Ernie

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Thanks for the answers so far, I don't find any traces of FSX anymore whatsoever. I am now deep-formatting the drive FSX was on, just in case that installer is able to identify even the deleted leftovers of some minor effect file. ;)

Really, what was MS thinking while implementing this?

 

Update: after formatting the drive and entering and checking for "flight" "Simulator" and "fsx" in the registry (which as a result only gave me addon contents like ASN, which I didnt uninstall) I am done with all my Ideas. I have a terrible headache after uninstalling hundreds of addons and trying to solve this issue. Looks like I need to quit my FS Career until I either reinstall my whole system or get a better Graphics Card that can handle Prepar3D.

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Thanks for the answers so far, I don't find any traces of FSX anymore whatsoever. I am now deep-formatting the drive FSX was on, just in case that installer is able to identify even the deleted leftovers of some minor effect file. ;)

 

Really, what was MS thinking while implementing this?

 

Update: after formatting the drive and entering and checking for "flight" "Simulator" and "fsx" in the registry (which as a result only gave me addon contents like ASN, which I didnt uninstall) I am done with all my Ideas. I have a terrible headache after uninstalling hundreds of addons and trying to solve this issue. Looks like I need to quit my FS Career until I either reinstall my whole system or get a better Graphics Card that can handle Prepar3D.

 

That is why I never plan to reinstall FSX if it goes south that will be it and I will move onto a  brand new P3D install probably on (mostly) new hardware.

 

Bruceb

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There seems to be an "Windows Installer CleanUp Utility" that helped some people with the same issue. Unfortunately MS seems to have it removed from their servers. If anyone knows where I can still get it, id be grateful for it. Thanks.

 

Update: got it, FSX is not shown in the list there. No Luck.

I am still not willing to move to Prepard3D because of that, and not flying anymore means a few thousand Euros spent on addons over the years down the toilet....

 

Are there any real geeks here who can tell what exactly the installer is looking for when started, and, in my case, keeps finding?

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When I recently reinstalled, I kept getting a 1607 error. According to Microsoft, it probably was because of FSX remnants. I did all the cleaning as you did. I was told to turn the computer off and then restart it. Problem solved. Sometimes it is something simple. Good luck.

 

Bill W

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When I recently reinstalled, I kept getting a 1607 error. According to Microsoft, it probably was because of FSX remnants. I did all the cleaning as you did. I was told to turn the computer off and then restart it. Problem solved. Sometimes it is something simple. Good luck.

 

Bill W

 

I am actually doing a restart everytime I edited the registry. ;) Thanks for the advice anyways. I think despite all the searching I fail to remove one vital information that the installer is looking for.

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There was only one FSX Entry in the Software list showing, and that was Acceleration. I uninstalled it after removing all the Addons. After that, there was no FSX Basic Entry there, therefore I deleted the Folders manually according to the PMDG Guide:

 

This was from your post# 3.  Did you or do you have a box that can be checked marked in you Add/Remove Programs that says "Show Updates"?  If that's not checked you may have missed uninstalling what

needed to be done.

 

I see it says delete the FSX folder wherever you had it located.  I just wonder if that does the same

thing as uninstalling it and all of it's associated accoutrements?  I can't think of any other thing that

could have been missed.

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Well I only can bring up another list that shows Updates, most stuff from there is from windows. I see nothing FSX-related there.

 

Meanwhile I got another lead: different Versions of FSX seem to use different "Product ID" numbers, they are generally shown in the "Product ID" section in the "setup.ini" file at Disk 1. The one I have here (FSX Gold Edition) uses "9527A496-5DF9-412A-ADC7-168BA5379CA6". According to a thread I found those IDs differ with FSX versions.
This ID is used for Temp Folders as well as in the Registry.

 

Now I cannot exclude that after using the repair option with borrowed CDs my old FSX maybe used another ProductID, so currently I am looking for the ID's of FSX Standard, SP1 and SP2 and maybe Acceleration as well.

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I don't understand how you can have anything left on the drive after a format. Did you really format the drive? I'm totally lost. BTW, moving to P3D won't help in situations like this. It's structurally so similar that a botched uninstall there will probably give the same result.

 

Doug

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@ W2DR

 

at least Prepar3D will install even if FSX was on the System before. I currently havent got the financial possibilities to switch to a new sim. The leftovers must be in the Registry or on Drive C:, I had FSX installed on its own partition that was for FSX and its addons only (S:), this one I completely formatted, of course without reinstalling windows.

 

I still would like to know where the installer looks for information when it checks if your PC has FSX installed or not. Obviously it does a top-level security frisk search of your machine and hates you as soon as it even finds an "F" remaining from FSX.

But its a 2009 installer and therefore can only find the very basics of an FSX installation. I am convinced there is something in the registry I am missing to delete because its saved under some cryptic ID name and not named "Flight Simulator" or else that a human would search for...

 

Therefore I would like to know all the changes the FSX standard setup does to a registry.

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OK, got it now...thanks.

 

The FSX installer writes two basic Registry entries:

 

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Microsoft Games\Flight Simulator\10.0

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Microsoft Games\Flight Simulator\10.0

 

The FSX installer will also embed the ProductID in the Registry. That's how it knows which version is installed. The only way I know to find that information is to search the Registry using the specific ProductID value (from disc1). You'll need that info also from the DVD's used in the repair.

 

Also, I'd check for folders like C:/windows/installer, C:/program files/Installshield, etc. and delete anything there relating to the FSX install. Luck.....

 

Doug

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I was fearing for that. It could be a different version because I was installing a german version and my reinstall was english, so I guess the ProductIDs are different.

 

Means I have to search for the old CD in my cellar and hope they still work. :(

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FSX is good for learning about software installation and at no extra charge. Hope you get it fixed.

 

Bill W

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Alternatively, you could install FSX-SE as it can coexist with the old FSX and may save you a few grey hairs.

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I got the ProductID of the Version that was previously installed since I found the DVD in my second home. ;) Unfortunately I am away from my Sim PC for a week now. I'll report back as soon as I checked.

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Hello again,

 

I got back to my home now and looked the Product Code of the german pro version up: {F535B2CF-C9BB-4162-B03A-02D6971F32CC}. Done a Registry search, found some entries and deleted them. Someone should publish such Product ID's just in case people run into the same issue. Installer runs normally now.

 

Make sure you still have access to the Setup.ini of any FSX CDs you use for installation. Or save a copy.

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