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So, I had to RMA a motherboard on my build. I replaced it with an ASUS X-99A USB 3.1 board to fit my Broadwell i7-6800K. Fry's something I've wanted on promo-code and I figured 'why not give it a shot?'

 

It has been the biggest improvement I have ever seen in my years of simming (FS4 user here). The 256GB Samsung 950 Pro going through a PCI-Express slot. Fresh install of Windows and Prepar3D with ORBX LC, ORBX Vector, ORBX Regions and F1 King Air 200.

 

OH MY GOD what an improvement. Stutters are gone. I am running autogen on extremely dense. STILL NO STUTTERS. Default flight loads in around 6 seconds. I havent touched the Prepar3D.cfg file.

 

 

Anyone else found this gem yet?

 

To those who do not use the 2.2GB transfer rate the 950 through a PCI-EX Slot: Do it...DO IT...LIKE....RIGHT NOW.

 

Not only is it an improvement to my simming, more importantly, it makes my Pro Tools/Recording studio run like Clark's sled in Christmas Vacation.  

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So, I had to RMA a motherboard on my build. I replaced it with an ASUS X-99A USB 3.1 board to fit my Broadwell i7-6800K. Fry's something I've wanted on promo-code and I figured 'why not give it a shot?'

 

It has been the biggest improvement I have ever seen in my years of simming (FS4 user here). The 256GB Samsung 950 Pro going through a PCI-Express slot. Fresh install of Windows and Prepar3D with ORBX LC, ORBX Vector, ORBX Regions and F1 King Air 200.

 

 

Very nice on my next board I will be doing this Maximus formula VIII been looking into it and these things are fast but very expensive if you want a large capacity 

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A fresh install of Windows and Fs always leads to better fps and more fluidness.

After having added all addons again and having used Fs on a regurlarly base for several months you will see what it really did for you..

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Brian,

 

I have been thinking about this issue ever since I loaded P3D.

I get way more performance than I should.

I5 6400 (Intel HD 530) No graphics card.

16 gig dual channel RAM <--- I tested single 8 and dual 16 and saw a 33% graphics boost

using the windows experience index.

 

I gave credit to Windows 10 (It uses all 4 cores and is just faster with everything).

I gave credit to dual channel.

I gave credit to P3D DX 11 and the HD 530 being fully DX 12 compliant.

 

For some time, I have been thinking my Samsung EVO 850 (SATA 3, 512 gig) deserves

more credit. Your results with a PCI-x SSD confirm my thinking.  I wonder how the M2

interface is working for folk.

 

Of course, I've tweaked P3D within an inch of its life, but that was the case with FSX too.

 

Anywho. . .  An SSD drive should be at the the top of a P3D simmers upgrade list.

 

N99WB

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A fresh install of Windows and Fs always leads to better fps and more fluidness.

After having added all addons again and having used Fs on a regurlarly base for several months you will see what it really did for you..

this is so true and annoying! after a reinstall i end up with a ferrari that slowly evolves into a ford KA ( no disrespect to ford),I have often wondered what exactly causes this slow drop in performance

Peter

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this is so true and annoying! after a reinstall i end up with a ferrari that slowly evolves into a ford KA ( no disrespect to ford),I have often wondered what exactly causes this slow drop in performance


Peter<===


 


In Windows 10, type "startup" into Cortana and make sure other apps (iTunes, G-drive and a host of others) aren't doing "mission creep" on your resources.


 


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The 256GB Samsung 950 Pro going through a PCI-Express slot.

Very interesting information, thanks.

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A fresh install of Windows and Fs always leads to better fps and more fluidness.

After having added all addons again and having used Fs on a regurlarly base for several months you will see what it really did for you..

 

This goes for anyone that reads this.

 

I am no noob, extremely far from it. In the past 5 months I have reinstalled Prepar3D and Windows on my rig more than you can even fathom. I've been out of work for 7 months (I worked for R. Kelly as FOH Audio Engineer, the sound guy if you will....that's a whole nother story but my case is getting close to being filed...don't get me started.)

 

 

I've done every Windows version, all with a fresh P3D installed. 7, 8, 8.1 and 10. I've done it 3 times in the past month alone. Tweaking the .cfg file until the end of the earth and back.

 

While you are correct that P3D performs the best on a fresh Windows install, that quickly drops as more things are added to the system, especially add-ons. I always start with default everything. Feel it for a little while and so-on...you get it. I can say with supreme confidence that this will change the lives of all of us...at least, that's what my results are causing me to believe.

 

Now, who owns a true 2.5GB/Second M .2 Hard drive? Don't confuse this with an SSD, or Solid State Hard-drive. While they are much quicker than your basic Hard-drive at 560MB/Second, this M.2 business is another world. It looks like this...

 

conclusion.jpg

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Brian,

 

The drive might have helped compared to your former drive.

 

My system uses 4 SSD's , all SATA 600 and also have no stutters..

All 500+ mb/s read and write.

 

You now have a drive ready for the future.

Enjoy your sim ..

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Now, who owns a true 2.5GB/Second M .2 Hard drive? Don't confuse this with an SSD, or Solid State Hard-drive. While they are much quicker than your basic Hard-drive at 560MB/Second, this M.2 business is another world. It looks like this...

 

 

I wonder how the M2 interface is working for folk.

 

An SSD drive should be at the the top of a P3D simmers upgrade list.

 

 

Well, hm, let me add some very important information to all this. I am NOT an expert on this but I've been reading up on things because I am considering to get a new PC. As far as my knowledge goes, you are a bit wrong to give all praise and attention to M2.

 

1. The most important piece of hardware in this topic which you should pay attention to is NOT (mainly) the SSD itself. SSD's are great but there is more to it here. An SSD should indeed be at the top up any upgrade list but you need more than that to get the most out of it, like Brian is getting.

 

2. M2 is not an interface, a bus, it is ONLY a form factor! M2 on its own won't bring you much (or anything at all) if the hardware and underlying interface (see below) is simply based on old tech. Old M2's simply were SATA drives and only the package was different (bare minimums). M2 on its own won't do you any good like putting an old hard disk in a new case won't help you either. This is why I think it is a bit dangerous to give all praise to M2: some people might end up with a very crappy old hard disk that may only harm things. When you say "Don't confuse this with an SSD" you are actually confusing things because what you want IS an M.2 SSD! Certainly not an old hard drive in a M.2 form. :wink:

 

3. The most important pice of hardware in this topic is the interface: to get the most out of all this you really want to get a motherboard that has PCI Express 3.0 support which uses NVMe. Not THIS will make a (compatible!!!) SSD FLY!

 

The best known available and compatible SSD that will work with all this is the Samsung SSD 950 Pro, which Brian has. It obvioulsy is M2 only but as I said, that's merely the form factor: the combination of this specific (or similar) SSD with PCI Express 3.0 and NVMe is what you want!

 

So make sure that if you want to get the best possible you do get the right motherboard with the right interface and the right SSD.

 

Please correct me if I am wrong because when I am going to buy my new PC I want the best.  :wink: As I said, I am no expert but I think that what I posted above is true.

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Good luck Jeroen

 

"One day you'll fly away .."

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I can say with supreme confidence that this will change the lives of all of us...

 

New hard drive saves world!

 

...at least, that's what my results are causing me to believe.

I think.

 

We can hope!

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Good luck Jeroen

"One day you'll fly away .."

Haha, thanks. BTW I am not saying this new tech will make your sim flyyyyyyyy like never before: I am only trying to prevent confusion so people won't be spending money on the wrong hardware.

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Didn't R.Kelly sing "I believe I can fly"? :smile:

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Didn't R.Kelly sing "I believe I can fly"? :smile:

yeah.. and stick the key in the "ignition." :Tounge:

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Brian,

 

The drive might have helped compared to your former drive.

 

My system uses 4 SSD's , all SATA 600 and also have no stutters..

All 500+ mb/s read and write.

 

You now have a drive ready for the future.

Enjoy your sim ..

 

Same here no need to feed my M2 connector ;-)

 

And indeed enjoy your "new" sim...

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Very nice on my next board I will be doing this Maximus formula VIII been looking into it and these things are fast but very expensive if you want a large capacity 

 

Hey buddy! You will not be disappointed! Granted this board is overkill!

 

My specs are in my sig if interested Richard! OS is on the M.2 drive and P3D is on an older SSD. I don't suspect P3D on the 950 Pro would make the sim run smoother...just quicker loading.

 

Great thread!

 

Just for fun!

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Hey buddy! You will not be disappointed! Granted this board is overkill!

 

Sweet video and rig - this new motherboard will fit in my custom water loop rig exactly as I have the VII so its a no brainer for me - thanks for sharing - have fun  :wink:

 

Is that REX water textures - remember which ones ?

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Have fun too!

 

REX yes...texture set ummm...wave animation from Texture Direct set #10 Ripple Wind. Water colors and textures from Essentials Plus Overdrive

 

custom colors.

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Have fun too!

 

REX yes...texture set ummm...wave animation from Texture Direct set #10 Ripple Wind. Water colors and textures from Essentials Plus Overdrive

 

custom colors.

 

Ah thank you  :wink:

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Didn't R.Kelly sing "I believe I can fly"? :smile:

He sure did...He is number 2 on the list of most grammys ever. 

 

Problem wasn't him as he was decent dude, it was his skeezy new management. Ill try to make it brief...

 

1) All fine last year, great managment team

2) New managment team this year. Wouldn't know an XLR cable if it hit them in the face. Super Skeez cheapos. After rehersal for this years tour, managment had already put him $350,000 hole. Then the 2 tour busses show up...for a crew of 32...you need at least 7 busses for that size. 1 Bus wasn't commercially tagged so if it flips and you're hurt...best of luck to yah! The other was an old Greyhound with the darn seats still in it. Ummm...no

3) 1 week into the run there were still 32 crew members that had not been paid. 1/3 of them hadn't been paid in over a month. We had a show in Kansas City and the lead carpenter had to go the ER because of dehydration and exhaustion. After 2 shows management had rung up $110,000 in overtime pay that the promoter needed to pay for. I'd seen enough. I stood up for the rest of the crew and really turned up the crock-pot to high. It was completely unprofressional and unheard of in the industry. I was down $3,000 of my own money just to be there to work. I demanded a solution be found out and fast as he was losing the will of every single person on the crew, a straight up mutiny/walkout situation.

 

 

Because I took a stand, I was let go. Not right away mind you. I'm talking 3 weeks after the first run when I was trying to get answers on the next round of dates. 2 weeks later the rigging and road crew that has been with Kells for 7 years went about their normal setup of the rig/stage. When they were done, all 12 of them walked out and flew home, leaving a gigantic arena stage setup for the dumbo's to try and figure out how to tear down and pack up. I wish I could've watched with a bowl of popcorn.

 

Either way, there is a case in the works that the monitor engineer and I are working on to hit his pocket for our lost wages for the year. I was hired for the year and let go for a political reason. Lawyers in the "Chi" are battling for this one.

Hey buddy! You will not be disappointed! Granted this board is overkill!

 

My specs are in my sig if interested Richard! OS is on the M.2 drive and P3D is on an older SSD. I don't suspect P3D on the 950 Pro would make the sim run smoother...just quicker loading.

 

Great thread!

 

Just for fun!

Nice rig man! I'm about to go straight up beast mode with my next build. I need all the cores I can get for Pro Tools HD and Ableton so just to give you an idea...here's the motherboard...

Z10PED16_WS.jpg

 

Powered by 2 Intel® Xeon® Processor E5-2667 v3 (20M Cache, 3.20 GHz, 3.6MHz turbo) which are 8 Core/16 Thread CPU's. That means I will have a 16 Core/32 Thread monster with up to 1024GB DDR4 Ram and 1080ti's in SLI...woof.

 

 

Then again, I did get to fiddle on my friends pre-release i9 the other day. Seemless Dual (Mac/Windows) processor. Impressive.

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My PNY SSD shows a lovely Read of 550, Write of 283 and mixed 368...just below that will be the uppercut. My 950 Pro shows a 2,050 Read, 815 Write, 1,058 Mixed...Do the math gentlemen. Stop wasting that empty PCIe X4 Slot on your motherboard. 

 

Now to go try out the new X-Plane 10.50 demo...

 

Oh yeah...the pudding

 

https://www.youtube.com/embed/3dOlkoB1450

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Pro Tools

 

There's your stutter problem right there ... Logic or Cakewalk or go home ;)

 

But for the record, U.2 is the fastest in terms of I/O throughput, but M.2 is very good also.  Many of the newer motherboards have U.2 and/or M.2 slots on them ... however U.2 connects directly to the PCI-e lanes and doesn't go thru the SATA interface ... resulting is a potential of 4GB/sec (the drives/controllers themselves can operate this fast, but they might in the near future).  So the food chain (top to bottom):

 

U.2

M.2

SSD SATA6

HD mechanical

 

Samsung now have a 1TB M.2 (SM961 1TB M.2, but it's OEM only and hard to find for consumer market).

 

Cheers, Rob.

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I use a M.2 drive (Samsung SM951) and I see no big difference between Windows + P3D on the M.2 compared to a SATA SSD. Not in P3D, not in booting up windows. In the bootup there is maybe 1-2 seconds difference. With good will.

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