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Sully Miracle on the Hudson Flight ? Anyone tried this one?

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I was curious if anyone tried the flight at home ?

The movie was great and indicated there was some question if the plane could have made the runways... just curious if anyone had duplicated the scenario.

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I was curious if anyone tried the flight at home ?

The movie was great and indicated there was some question if the plane could have made the runways... just curious if anyone had duplicated the scenario.

Not seen the movie yet, but from my understanding of the report - they could have theoretically landed the plane if they acted "instantly" to get the aircraft to La Guardia or Teterboro. From what I read they managed to land in a simulator 8 out of 15 times but had information before as to the exact course of action to take, but couldn't if they factored in a delay as if the pilots were working out what happened and best course of action.....

 

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8 out of 15 times is hardly reassuring to the 100+ passengers and crew,  who's life depended on the outcome..

 

Better ditch in the Hudson, I would say  :wink:

 

Well decided, and well executed..

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8 out of 15 times is hardly reassuring to the 100+ passengers and crew,  who's life depended on the outcome..

 

That's a very theoretical 8 out of 15 as well, wonder what the result would be if they got crews to do it without pre-knowledge. I would guess roughly none....

 

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wonder what the result would be if they got crews to do it without pre-knowledge. I would guess roughly none...

 

My thoughts as well. Even without prior knowledge, a pilot knows the simulator is a 'safe' environment. How many pilots would have landed safely, at Teterboro or in the Hudson, given what was at stake. There were no do-over's in the real life scenario if they screwed up.

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I tried in FSX, after reading the official accident report, turning on the APU before takeoff, and by immediately heading for the Hudson upon engine failures. That way it was almost easy.

 

But if you are experiencing this IRL, without knowing it's about to happen, not much experience in RW handflying, no gliding experience, no military flying time, coming to commercial aviation through an ab-initio-training, or still collecting flying hours via a pay-to-fly scheme ...

 

Those five people on that particular flight (2 very experienced pilots with military, gliding and accident Investigation background, three very professional cabin crew members) were about the best you could have had to handle that event. And still they were lucky to operate an Airbus, being able to restore Airbus normal law and having rafts which were not required for that very flight.

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I never bought the argument 'Could Have' or 'Should Have' this or that when everyone survived anyways. Everyone lived, this is now aviation history, and the aircraft preserved as an artifact for future generations to hear about this story too. There was no better outcome if you ask me.

 

I never tried to recreate it because I don't have a good enough A320 to try it

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changed 'their' to 'there'

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There's a Mayday episode of this too.

 

He was last off his aircraft too.

 

Sully was a hero, no question.

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Since only 8 out of 15 (53%) with absolute pre-knowledege and not even doing the QRH as per the real thing only one atempt was concucted with a 37seconds delay to human factors and workload.

 

No point in doing further experiments . And that last one with 37seconds delay was not 100% okay either .

 

 

What a crew (and go see the movie in IMAX  :smile: ) and maybe buy FSlabs A320-X

 

 

Michael Moe

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At the end of recurrent training I will add a bonus training (not in the syllabus) of a dual engine failure. As some of our operators operate in places in the world where the standards of jet fuel storage and testing are not near U.S. standards it is remotely possible someone might pickup a bad load of fuel. 

 

I have not recorded formal statistics but off the top of my head way more then 50% (I'd say approaching 90%) of fully qualified crews fail to execute the glide checklist correctly reducing the dual engine out range of their aircraft significantly. Part of the problem is the glide checklist in multi-engine aircraft is not a memory item. Thus many pilots have no idea of the correct speeds to fly, configuration and the glide ratio they can expect. All of this information is stuffed away in the AFM. 

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I've seen the Mayday episode and am looking forward to seeing the film.  Sully is undoubtedly a hero.

 

He had to make split second decisions for a situation that arose out of the blue without warning.

 

All the training in the world is no substitute for real life experience.  In the simulator you can take risks - you are not going to die and you are not going to kill your passengers.

 

I've flown gliders, light aircraft and microlights in the RW and have trained for every known eventuality but when these things happen in real life they don't appear in the trainng manual - how much training did he have covering ditching in the Hudson?

 

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With the FSL A320-X you can easily try it for yourself as one of the included failures is a Bird Strike... :wink:

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With the FSL A320-X you can easily try it for yourself as one of the included failures is a Bird Strike... :wink:

Including the animated birds! I hope PETA doesn't find out.

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Paul Bertorelli, in AVWEB, has a good review of the film this week, if anyone interested. Maybe a little flaw or two? Who knows!

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