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The demise of my copy of Prepar3d in 24 hrs

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On December 24th after completing a vfr flight from Innsbruk to Salzburg I shut down my newly uptated P3d (v3.4.18 19475) complete with updates for AS2016 + ASCA, GSX, FSUIPC, I awoke 24th to find P3d would nor run up, jumping out of startup, remaining in memory but requiring a Task Manager sutdown to exit. Checking Microsoft Log for errors I found two error problems in GSX and FSUIPC not running. I reinstalled FSUIPC first and managed to get P3d running after a Client reinstall and a new P3d. cfg file, it ran once then would not run up again. Just tried to reinstall FSUIPC which installed again with no problem as if the old FSUIPC was still installed (usually FSUIPC objects if installation up to date) P3d ran again then crashed, restart ran up (no crash) shut down would not start. Reinstall FSUIPC P3d ran up worked shut down same result. 

 

On the FSX side it disappeared from Addons and I have yet to uninstall it completely since it is with FSUIPC that seems to be the prime source of the problem. 

 

How did this all come crashing down so soon without warning and why oh why is P3d nor stable? I guess I'm tired with it - 4 months to setup, got it working perfectly even past the updates, and now to awake one morning and find it trashed with no user input...all I know is that maybe I'm not supposed to continue with this torture....there are limits. P3d is the best Flight Sim around, and thats the trap - I'd love to go to XPlane but the thought of having an accurate flight engine marred by a circular ring of dirty cotton wool over my cockpit does not appeal (even in version 11). So its Lockheed or nothing and I think the powers that be have dictated to me that its nothing....

 

RIP P3d

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Have you tried removing FSUIPC entirely and running it without? Just go into the "modules" folder and temporarily move the FSUIPC.DLL file to another location.

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Hello,

 

since a few days I have similar problems. But I'm still working on chasing down what is the reason.

 

I also start P3D (with HF2) and it remains then in the background, but I can see it in the task manager, also with CPU load, all programs "see" it, but it stays in the background.

 

 

My idea is, that is has to do with the latest FSUIPC version, but - as I said - I have no final opinion.

 

 

 

I have dieabled FSUIPC from dll.xml, then sim is starting.

I tried to disabled all other addons I have in the DLL.xml, doesn't matter - it is FSUIPC.

 

P3D window is not moved on another "invisible" screen ... it is not possible to move the window with ALT and arrow.

 

The issue comes only up, when my PC was is standby mode or shut off. After that, I have to reinstall FSUIPC, what takes just a few seconds, then the sim is running again. I can then also shut off P3D and start it again - no problem, as long as I do not shut down the sim.

 

 

What I have tried now is to install an old FSUIPC Version (4949f) and itseems to work - but I have tested this just once. WIll make further tests.

 

 

From my point of view all is pointing to FSUIPC latest version ... but Pete is in holiday till 5th of January. So we will have to wait anyway.

In his forums I can't read about other user with this errors ...

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Hi thanks for reply I seem (????) to have solved it by removing GSX and Coatl - latest version issued in December - what triggered the failure I have no idea. I am still running the latest version of FSUIPC, but I'm still testing - Simstarter NG was a blessing keeping my original configs safe. I will let you know of any further news - more glorious days of testing rather than flying P3D.

 

All the best

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Hello,

 

since a few days I have similar problems. But I'm still working on chasing down what is the reason.

 

I also start P3D (with HF2) and it remains then in the background, but I can see it in the task manager, also with CPU load, all programs "see" it, but it stays in the background.

 

 

My idea is, that is has to do with the latest FSUIPC version, but - as I said - I have no final opinion.

 

 

 

I have dieabled FSUIPC from dll.xml, then sim is starting.

I tried to disabled all other addons I have in the DLL.xml, doesn't matter - it is FSUIPC.

 

P3D window is not moved on another "invisible" screen ... it is not possible to move the window with ALT and arrow.

 

The issue comes only up, when my PC was is standby mode or shut off. After that, I have to reinstall FSUIPC, what takes just a few seconds, then the sim is running again. I can then also shut off P3D and start it again - no problem, as long as I do not shut down the sim.

 

 

What I have tried now is to install an old FSUIPC Version (4949f) and itseems to work - but I have tested this just once. WIll make further tests.

 

 

From my point of view all is pointing to FSUIPC latest version ... but Pete is in holiday till 5th of January. So we will have to wait anyway.

In his forums I can't read about other user with this errors ...

I had the same problem but fixed it. See here: : http://www.avsim.com/topic/500061-prepar3d-v34-hotfix-2-released-v-34-19475/?p=3535523

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An update. Stability has returned it seems many have experienced problems with the new version of GSX and the new P3d 3.4; so this seems the root of my problem whether it caused detrimental interaction with FSUIPC I dont know, but I seem to be working ok so far with the new FSPUIC installed & GSX uninstalled.

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I have the latest version of GSX with latest version of fsuipc and P3D and no issues.

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Also running fine but I have noticed quite a few couatl errors being reported in the Windows Reliability Monitor since the last update a few days ago. There might be an issue there that needs addressing. This would possibly point to some GSX instability. It has not caused a crash or lockup on my system though.

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[...] marred by a circular ring of dirty cotton wool over my cockpit does not appeal [...]

 

There are a few weather engines out there to cover this. Obviously, making the switch will be super expensive in addons to reach that same P3D level of awesomeness.

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Reading this thread makes me think of the recent issues I have been having with P3D since I introduced the Oculus Rift and the apps that comes with it along with the hotfix issues with the v3.4. Being in IT, nothing irritates me more than to have to come home and troubleshoot my own computer and I was pretty disgusted at P3D for the apparent issues I was/am dealing with. However, I was thinking, at work, where I deal with probably one of the most complex IT environments, introducing a new app to interact with what you have is not as simple as it is. There are quite a lot of vetting just to see how well the apps work with each other, and the versioning issues just add a whole new dimension. I am sure P3D without any 3rd party addon is a very stable application, however we tend to add many addons from many different 3rd party vendors which increases the likelihood of problems quite significantly. I am sure if you plan on going to another platform such as XPlanes, if you start putting 3rd part software from multiple vendors, you will no doubt see these kinds of issues again at some time.

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I'm having these issues too.

I am thinking it's something with the dll.xml that contains FSUIPC. The dll.xml in Program Data runs fine. I'll try to disable FSUIPC and see what happens...

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I myself had some issues too. Found that WX Weather Radar (certain dll error) caused P3D to take quite some time to load and if you didn't click on P3D icon in the taskbar you wouldn't be any wiser - so FSUIPC then timed out. Uninstalled WX Weather radar and all back to normal. Will wait for an update on that front in the New Year.

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Having the same issue here. There are also threads on the P3D forums over at LM and on the FSUIPC forums. Disabling (in the dll.xml) or reinstalling FSUIPC normally works but after running P3D once the issue comes back.

 

Let's hope Pete can shed some light on this when he gets back on the 5th.

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did you try to remove default flight or load another one from P3D.cfg????

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Hi all - the worry with all this is that no logical traceable conclusion is available or conclusive. An open ended system is always likely to be like this with a multiplicity of possibilities, but it is possible if the host application has a robust diagnostic system built in, requiring every addon to monitor itself and to provide diagnostics to the host system which in turn will disable the addon should it threaten the stability of the system. Both Cubase and Photoshop for instance will scan their plugins for problems on startup and recommend they be disabled if there is a protocol issue. On every update of P3d all known (unknowns should be flagged) addons should be checked for compatibility issues and if they are in doubt, they should be disabled pending update or maintenance.

 

People may say this puts too much on the host system and perhaps a load on the makers of addons, but it is a little ironic to me that the very industry this simulator simulates is a model of software integrity and error checking, whilst its facsimile seems not to model that to any great degree at all, and most of us resort to praying to whatever deity we choose to protect us from the next 'crash' rather than building things from the ground up correctly in the first place. Lockheed build an incredible simulator, its just sad to see loyal customers locked in a constant struggle to make it work - try that with the purchaser of an Airbus or Boeing etc. etc.

 

This is the 21st Century and yes we are stuck with the outdated architecture of the 'PC' which should have been superseded long ago, and if Microsoft would stop hanging baubles on the Christmas Tree and get the system right we may have again a better foundation so my criticism is not all laid at Lockheed Martins door, but I would have thought for their own reputation a more robust protection of the core program would be a good idea.

 

However back to the real world my system runs now but occasionally crashes Windows 10 with various errors so FSUIPC may be at fault too - who can tell? Yet again the wonderful world of Sims is turned into a computer error troubleshooting game....ok if you like that sort of thing, or indeed if solutions are ever really possible! It seems there is no way to win the game; just a purgatory of glorious interludes to be taken away at any moment, hours of making sure the track holds up before you ever get to drive the train  (er plane - got my sims confused :smile: )

 

So all the best to all fellows on our road to Calvary, maybe just maybe 2017 will bring the promise....but maybe not.


did you try to remove default flight or load another one from P3D.cfg????

It happened with both a clean cfg and the old one in that order...the clean cfg would only work with FSUIPC being reinstalled again and again, then when GSX was uninstalled all appears to run but as to stability the ball is still balancing on a knife edge :excl:  Thanks for the input though  :smile:

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did you try to remove default flight or load another one from P3D.cfg????

Yes

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I have been experiencing similar issues.   FSUIPC seems to be a possible culprit.   I had also considered Linda as a culprit as I tried to just open up the Linda interface outside of the sim to edit and it would behave similarly to P3D in the way it just disappeared.  The latest evolution I am trying is to open Linda once the P3D menu comes up and so far so good but the sample size is admittedly small (2-3 flights).   Glad I stumbled on this thread to know I wasn't alone

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I have tested it also without LINDA, doesn't make a difference.

Also not Chaseplane etc.

 

 

The only single thing which causes the sim to disappear is FSUIPC here

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It's definitely FSUIPC. As soon as I either disable it in the xml.dll or removed the FSUIPC.dll from the modules folder the sim starts up normally. Clean install, nothing but the sim and FSUIPC installed.

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It's definitely FSUIPC. As soon as I either disable it in the xml.dll or removed the FSUIPC.dll from the modules folder the sim starts up normally. Clean install, nothing but the sim and FSUIPC installed.

I take it you let fsuipc build a new cfg file as well? And running P3D. exe as admin? If yes to both then I guess have to wait for Pete.

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I take it you let fsuipc build a new cfg file as well? And running P3D. exe as admin? If yes to both then I guess have to wait for Pete.

 

Yes to both. The only way to be able to run FSUIPC on my machine is if I reinstall it and then start P3D. The next time I start P3D it doesn't work again - essentially that means I have to reinstall FSUIPC before each session. Something must happen during the installation that fixes this bug for one-time use only.

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I reinstalled GSX (latest version) and still have the latest version of FSUIPC running and all seems fine at the moment as it did before the mysterious collapse on the 25th. I am still cautious as the volatility seems to balance on a knife edge but as of writing FSUIPC ok - GSX ok???? 

 

We'll see what happens...

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Well, mine is now doing it as well, starts and disappears to the task manager. Thought I had it fixed but alas, it is not. Removing FSUIPC.dll fixes it.  Screwed until Pete comes back.

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