On 07/03/2017 at 2:03 PM, scandinavian13 said:

I'm not really a fan of the E-Jets. I don't understand the draw to them. They're kinda dopey looking, too.

As a rampie, I also found them to be awful: bins like the MD-80, they were flown by regionals so gate planners would occasionally throw them on regional gates without jetbridges, or without the right tug to get them out. I've heard pilots like them, and they're like a mini 777 with all of the technology, but I'm definitely not a fan...

The big appeal for study sim enthusiasts is that it's very different to both Boeing and Airbus. I know I'm in the minority but I happen to think the 737 is an ugly aircraft. That doesn't stop me enjoying flying the NGX. E-jets are everywhere too, so the appeal could be quite wide.

I don't understand the fascination with a particular number of engines. Apparently twins are boring. So that would rule out a DC-3...

People say they want to fly a 727 because it's more manual, but how many would hand fly it very much? The AP would be on most of the flight, and users would be asking why the autoland doesn't work. The 727's electrical system would be nice to have properly simulated in all it's glory, but I guess most would be wanting an AFE, as in the DC-6, to parallel the busses for them.

My personal choice for a PMDG classic would be a 747-200. Automatic enough to be user friendly but with a lot to do all the same. I'd also buy a PMDG 757-200 without hesitation. For a current type my preference would be an E-jet. There isn't a decent one for FSX.

1 hour ago, kevinh said:

users would be asking why the autoland doesn't work.

Well if PMDG modelled a late model 727-200Adv with the appropriate options, I'd certainly like it to work :P

It's not a widely known fact, but the 727 could be Autoland capable, depending on options chosen. Of course many earlier birds would only have a very rudimentary autopilot more akin to the one in PMDG DC-6... hell, even that can couple NAV source. Which was not always an option back in the day.

I used to fly a lot of these old birds about 10 years ago. Good variety of choice available, too... Dreamfleet 727, RfP 742, TinMouse 737 jurassics. Captain 707 was doable. CIVA INS... All the Russian craziness from Project Tupolev and friends... Back then, anything from 80s onwards was just too new for me. I kinda miss it now in FSX/P3D...

Going back into the Magenta Line era, I'd like a 757/767 lineup. Especially the 757 is a bird with plenty of character.. although it reminds me of those F/As in their 70s and 80s who refuse to retire. It's cool how they still cling on to their job, but sooner or later, it's gonna have to end. And I am afraid the simulator mass market appeal of the 75/67 is already vaning.

E-jets, those are more like, meh. I'd rather have a bizjet. A tri-motor Dassault Falcon, ideally.

1 hour ago, kevinh said:

People say they want to fly a 727 because it's more manual, but how many would hand fly it very much? The AP would be on most of the flight

I've flown the 727 (sim) for many hours and yes I did use the autopilot for cruise, but I did far more hand flying it that compared to the other automated aircraft. I also didn't have an auto-throttle. Flying with nav radios and sometimes using the INS was huge fun. And if you've ever tried to fly a non-RNAV SID or STAR with nav radios; something like the RIVR3 into LAX; it's so much more fun then watching your FMC do it. Planning your decent rather then VNAV showing you your path, or reacting to ATC instructions and crossing restrictions without just plugging it into the FMC. So much variety and you're actually flying and navigating, rather then just watching a computer fly a computer. Don't get me wrong, I've also had fun with the automated aircraft as learning the technology and programming an FMC is fun. So ultimately, I'd like to see variety, some old, some new, and that will keep us all interested.

2 hours ago, Fabo said:

Well if PMDG modelled a late model 727-200Adv with the appropriate options, I'd certainly like it to work :P

It's not a widely known fact, but the 727 could be Autoland capable, depending on options chosen. Of course many earlier birds would only have a very rudimentary autopilot more akin to the one in PMDG DC-6... hell, even that can couple NAV source. Which was not always an option back in the day.

I used to fly a lot of these old birds about 10 years ago. Good variety of choice available, too... Dreamfleet 727, RfP 742, TinMouse 737 jurassics. Captain 707 was doable. CIVA INS... All the Russian craziness from Project Tupolev and friends... Back then, anything from 80s onwards was just too new for me. I kinda miss it now in FSX/P3D...

Going back into the Magenta Line era, I'd like a 757/767 lineup. Especially the 757 is a bird with plenty of character.. although it reminds me of those F/As in their 70s and 80s who refuse to retire. It's cool how they still cling on to their job, but sooner or later, it's gonna have to end. And I am afraid the simulator mass market appeal of the 75/67 is already vaning.

E-jets, those are more like, meh. I'd rather have a bizjet. A tri-motor Dassault Falcon, ideally.

That would be quite a customer option. 727s typically only had one AP. For autoland you would need at least two and the flight control systems reconfigured for the necessary redundancy. The -200adv could certainly fly a coupled ILS approach (complete with FFRATS autothrottle) and in a sim that could autoland after a fashion, but with no flare mode of course. If you have any info on the real world autoland option on the 727 I'd certainly like to read about it.

Same goes for INS. I never came across a 727 with that as original equipment. A PDCS possibly, but that doesn't navigate. It would be possible to retrofit an INS, but back when the 727 was in production INS was primarily intended for navigation over water or where there were no radio aids and were very expensive just to relieve pilot workload. In FSX anything is possible and adding CIVA INS is very easy.

FSX does need a good 757 for sure. I don't see the E-jet as meh at all and have no use for a biz-jet in VA flying. I would like a Falcon 20 though, but early biz-jets like that don't get enough attention from developers sadly. As I said I don't understand the special appeal of three engined aircraft. but I realise it does exist

9 minutes ago, kevinh said:

If you have any info on the real world autoland option on the 727 I'd certainly like to read about it.

I don't have anything official like Boeing docs at hand, but you can just google to find , so to say, eyewitness testimonies.

11 minutes ago, kevinh said:

Same goes for INS. I never came across a 727 with that as original equipment.

Dunno about that. Certainly there were many with GPSes or FMCs, though I gather those were probably all retrofits. Some say that Singapore had Delco Carousels factory fitted. Certainly there were at least some with them mounted, retrofit or not - I've been able to find a picture of a Dan Air one, allegedly ex-Singapore. That could definitely come in handy at flights to Canaries and such so.

17 hours ago, teopereira said:

You can create an option of a "virtual flight engeneer", like A2A did with their L-049 Constellation... Btw, the 737-200 is the 737NG's grandfather and simpler to operate than a 727... Well, we all know it won't happen, but anyway.,... I agree with you that the next logical PMDG project will be a 757 or a 767...

I dont know if you have flown the 737-200, but its very similar to the 727 actually and as long as it doesnt have an FMC, it wont sell (not speaking of retrofits). PMDG never did a virtual flight engineer and I dont think they will make one.

2 minutes ago, A32X tebs said:

PMDG never did a virtual flight engineer and I dont think they will make one.

PMDG DC-6 has one.

4 minutes ago, scandinavian13 said:

PMDG DC-6 has one.

Oh, well I can be wrong too :D But i dont own x-plane and never really followed the DC-6. Well then Kyle, talk to your boss.. Make the DC10 happen :D (i give you a cookie)

6 minutes ago, A32X tebs said:

Oh, well I can be wrong too :D But i dont own x-plane and never really followed the DC-6. Well then Kyle, talk to your boss.. Make the DC10 happen :D (i give you a cookie)

We're bringing it to FSX and P3D shortly, if you like older planes. I get a real kick out of it, as it offers a challenge that a lot of the newer tubeliners don't offer (you know...actually flying the [darned] thing).

...and only if it's one of those chocolate cookies with multi-colored chocolate pieces from Heberer's (or whatever that place is by Z13) :P

3 hours ago, scandinavian13 said:

...and only if it's one of those chocolate cookies with multi-colored chocolate pieces from Heberer's (or whatever that place is by Z13) :P

For a Tristar, I'll get you three.

 

3 hours ago, scandinavian13 said:

offers a challenge that a lot of the newer tubeliners don't offer (you know...actually flying the [darned] thing).

I'm really, really looking forward to that. I only really realized how much I miss old flying in the last two days, I watched some videos on the DC-6 and tried to get the A2A Connie going... and felt nostalgic, as I mentioned a couple posts up.

5 hours ago, scandinavian13 said:

We're bringing it to FSX and P3D shortly, if you like older planes. I get a real kick out of it, as it offers a challenge that a lot of the newer tubeliners don't offer (you know...actually flying the [darned] thing)

If only you were telling the truth.  

Edit: I thought you were talking about the DC-10.  

Edited March 20, 20179 yr by KORDATC

About the MD-11, it works on Prepar3d... So, maybe it's not that hard to upgrade it and launch it for Prepar3d... Can't believe all the work involved in that simulation will just fall into oblivion...

On 3/6/2017 at 5:37 AM, Anders Gron said:

That's your personal opinion!

Personally I would really love to see a 787 from PMDG.
Yes, yes, I know that QualityWings is developing one - but with the speed their on, PMDG could develop and release one, before they are finished... 

+1  for 787, wishful thinking like...we can dream.

2 hours ago, teopereira said:

About the MD-11, it works on Prepar3d... So, maybe it's not that hard to upgrade it and launch it for Prepar3d... Can't believe all the work involved in that simulation will just fall into oblivion...

Of course, nobody would be violating the EULA by using the MD-11 in a platform outside of its license agreement, though...right?