Chock

Took the plunge and got the QW 787 for FSX

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Well, I figured since few were inclined to try it, I thought I'd give it a go. Hopefully there'll be some kind of discount for P3D, but if not, well tough lol. So, here's a few comments...

First impressions are that it is a very lovely add-on, it looks great, runs with a decent FPS and has a very nice cockpit with lots of fun toys.

What I know about the real 787's systems would comfortably fit on the back of a cigarette packet, but I managed to get a flight set up in the FMC with SID and get the thing en route without even looking at the manual other than to ascertain that it has about 390 pages, although there is a tutorial flight manual too, and a checklist one. There is also a payload manager. In operation, it is basically the same FMC as in any Boeing in terms of how it works, setting up etc, so NG and 747 ndrivers will quickly suss it out, however, what is additionally cool, is the EFB displaying the SIDs and stuff so you can choose suitable stuff for your departure.

The FMC and the PFDs have lots of very nice toys to play with, and it has a handy VAS usage readout which can display how much memory it is using. I have FSX-SE on pretty much full throttle settings with ASN and it was doing 3.1Gb, so I think you'd have to be careful, but it is currently climbing up to 35,000 feet on the way to Paris, so it managed okay. The HUD is really excellent too by the way.

The audio is really nice, with the co-pilot callouts for V-Speeds, AP selection and such being really good, as are the flight attendant announcements, which all kick in at the correct time so far as I can tell, i.e. it announced you could use electronic devices as I passed 10,000 feet and was turning off the landing lights. Oh, and the engine sounds are all really cool.

Seems pretty cool, it flies beautifully and the external model is very nice.

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Nice mini review. Well done for getting it in fsx 😄

im looking forward to the p3d version. Your first impressions sound really positive. 

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Thank you for posting that review Alan, especially for FSX (SE?).  I'll probably give it a miss, but only due to not being a fan of how it looks. Not QW's model, that does indeed seem to be excellent, but the real Boeing! I just don't like the curved wings however aerodynamically efficient they are! :blush:

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3 minutes ago, HighBypass said:

Thank you for posting that review Alan, especially for FSX (SE?).  I'll probably give it a miss, but only due to not being a fan of how it looks. Not QW's model, that does indeed seem to be excellent, but the real Boeing! I just don't like the curved wings however aerodynamically efficient they are! :blush:

I initially thought the 787 was pretty fugly too TBH, but it sort of grew on me. The real thing is however quite pretty when you see it fly over, and you can't go wrong with the front bit, since it looks like a DH Comet/Nimrod, and we all know how cool the Comet is.

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On the fence about a FSX purchase as funds are limited...awaiting more user feedback.

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8 minutes ago, Boomer said:

On the fence about a FSX purchase as funds are limited...awaiting more user feedback.

Well a shiny new plane is nice, but it isn't gonna stop FSX being FSX, with all that implies both good and bad, i.e. we've all got a ton of add-ons for it which can make it look great, but then it explodes when you install them all lol. although to be fair, I'm currently en route to Paris in the thing, and it is holding at 3.1Gb VAS, actually it has dropped to 3.0 now (76%), so it's doing better than the FSW Learjet 35, that thing makes my FSX explode before you even make it to the runway to take off lol, which is why I was glad to get it in P3D.

Ooh, just noticed, this thing's got a five stage autobrake, now I can really annoy my virtual passengers with those screech to a halt landings lol.

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Just now, Chock said:

.... and you can't go wrong with the front bit, since it looks like a DH Comet/Nimrod, and we all know how cool the Comet is.

No arguments here. I will see in time if it'll grow on me. The A350 wing looks better IMHO. Now, the H-P Victor has a lovely curved wing, but that's totally different!

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For those interesting in deeper knowledge of this bird, AOA has just released a training package for the 787....could be a good companion to this product.

 

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We don't need no steeenkin manuals, we just kick the tires and light the fires. :biggrin:

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5 minutes ago, WR269 said:

For those interesting in deeper knowledge of this bird, AOA has just released a training package for the 787....could be a good companion to this product.

 

Don't see it, link please.

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Oooops.... Was just getting to near LFPG and about to start descending when it bombed. Not a VAS issue, something else it would seem. I think the 787 must have upset the little baby Jeezus, or something.

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well, I'm sure they will get this cleaned up. Overall though I'm leaning on getting it. I will wait for p3d v4.1

I'm a little nervous that it will tank my system when it comes to frames. I'm running an old i7-930 o/c to 3.8G and 6G of ram and a 970 4g card. sooooo there's that.

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Tried that flight again after a few tweaks, turns out it was a simconnect issue with FSX and Active Sky Next that bombed the sim, not the QW 787, so it made it all the way to Paris after I'd fixed that (I think it is because FSX Steam doesn't install all that stuff properly, and I only reinstalled FSX a couple of weeks ago, so I'd forgot about that until it bombed). The highest VAS got up to was 3.4Gb and it tended to be around 3.1 most of the time. But as you can see from one of the pics where a jet passes below, I had a lot of AI traffic on and the clouds on full settings, plus high res textures, lots of autogen, UT2 Europe and such and I took off from UK2000 EGCC, so there is room to back things off a bit. I don't think I'd have a prayer of landing it at VFR France's Ile de France scenery though, that'd VAS bomb FSX for sure, so that's where P3D V4 is a winner as that scenery runs just fine in P3D, so yes you can fly the 787 in FSX without VAS issues, but clearly there is a limit to what you could get away with, so it'll be good when it shows up for LM's sim.

The TCAS works well and gives you good audio cues incidentally, I know that because I had AI traffic up high and got quite a few alerts to climb, clear of conflict and monitor descent speed call outs,  the cabin crew and co-pilot audio is very good too. The engine sounds are really very good too, so you can't fault it audio-wise.

Couldn't be bothered figuring out the autopilot for the approach so I knocked it off VNAV and LNAV etc and flew it manually for the descent and landing, but, the EFB checklists came in handy. It can slow down quite well with a bit of flaps dropped out. It has quite a high viewpoint when you flare, so it would be easy to land a bit short if you weren't aware of that, but it is easy to fly, fortunately I came down right on the piano keys, even though I was actually aiming for the numbers, but I had to get the nose up a lot to do that, so the tail was pretty low upon touchdown. It stops pretty quickly with a bit of autobrake and reverse thrust.

One thing I do think could do with a tweak is the lights, they are not very bright and I know they are really bright on the real thing what with it having those LED ones which you can see from miles away.

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Thanks Chock, a good insight into the aircraft...Im unsure if I should reinstall FSX or not, just to fly the 787, although I think AS are releasing their long awaited A330 in FSX first. Problem is, once spoiled with P3D v4 I'm reluctant to take a backwards step to FSX.

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QW mentioned in FB-post this morning that there will likely be some sort of P3D upgrade discoount.

"If I purchase the FSX Version of the Ultimate 787, will I receive the P3D version as a free upgrade?"
No, you will not receive the P3D Version as a free upgrade. We will come up with some sort of discount offer that will be fair for you and us.
Details will come at a later date once we determine what is needed for P3D."

https://www.facebook.com/notes/qualitywings-simulations/ultimate-787-status-update-the-first-36-hours/10155050170834639/

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Was always wondering what is in P3D that make people "spoiled" ?

Same AI and ATC as FSX, same ugly default airport as FSX, no weather effects implementation as FSX, same stuttering problems as FSX, same ugly default textures ? Really where P3D is so much better ( apart 64bit of course ) 

Don't get me wrong here, i am also P3D user, but without this hype about this sim :-)

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The 787 looks great. Actually, the cockpit looks awesome, can't wait to fly it when its P3D time comes. QW is raising up their bar and i'm more than happy to support them. Great job.

 

28 minutes ago, Beardyman said:

 Really where P3D is so much better ( apart 64bit of course )

Version 4 is way way faster than any other version available (FSX/V3/SE). It looks like you purchased a whole new computer when you install and run it.

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8 hours ago, Boomer said:

On the fence about a FSX purchase as funds are limited...awaiting more user feedback.

Just go for it that includes anyone that is waiting for the P3Dv4 version.  Flight1 offers a 30-Day money back guarantee.  So if it doesn’t work out or you decide you don’t want to pay for both versions after about a month just return it.  

QW also announced at the very least on Facebook of discounts for P3D upgrade price as well.

I can’t copy paste the quote because I’m on my phone.  However it stated they will come out with an upgrade price that is fair to us and them.

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"Version 4 is way way faster than any other version available"

Most likely for version 4.5 we will have to pay full price again with no discount - another LM nasty habit.. 

 

Sorry for being off topic 

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1 minute ago, Beardyman said:

"Version 4 is way way faster than any other version available"

Most likely for version 4.5 we will have to pay full price again with no discount - another LM nasty habit.. 

Only Major update versions are paid versions, eg: 2.2, 2.3 2.4 are free updates, but version 1 - version 2 to version 3 is a paid update.

 

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11 hours ago, Boomer said:

Don't see it, link please.

Dont have a link sorry, I got it in the AOA newsletter...

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Well simply not getting my money until I see a P3D version. FSX is buggy and lacks several features that this aircraft will use. I will just wait. 

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5 hours ago, Beardyman said:

Was always wondering what is in P3D that make people "spoiled" ?

Same AI and ATC as FSX, same ugly default airport as FSX, no weather effects implementation as FSX, same stuttering problems as FSX, same ugly default textures ? Really where P3D is so much better ( apart 64bit of course ) 

Don't get me wrong here, i am also P3D user, but without this hype about this sim :-)

That is true, well almost, and you have nailed it by saying 'apart from 64 bit', in that some versions of P3D by default have a better appearance than FSX by default, i.e. the cloud shadows P3D can do are something it has by default, but of course if you buy Steve's DX10 Fixer and Cloud Shadow addons for FSX (20 quid), you've pretty much made FSX look as good as P3D does, and if you weigh that against having to buy a weather add-on for P3D (probably about 60 quid), then you can see using P3D is gonna be a more expensive game to be playing.

Thus it's not that P3D (and I mean any version, including the most recent V4 with the cloud shadows and other minor tweaks to lighting and texturing) somehow looks vastly better than FSX, because it doesn't really, nor is it anywhere near as inexpensive as FSX either. It is the fact that you can throw every fancy add-on you like at P3D V4 and it might slow it down, but it will never crash it, and that just ain't true with FSX (either the Steam version or the original version), you can have it crash with an VAS OOM error just by adding a fancy plane and an airport scenery sometimes, because it is 32 bit unlike the V4 P3D. It's also worth noting that with P3D loading a little bit more of its work onto other parts of your PC rather than just the CPU, in fairness to any version of P3D, they do tend to run a little bit better FPS-wise than FSX, but it's not a massively noticeable difference.

This is why I never bought P3D V2 or V3, because they simply did not offer any difference worth bothering with in comparison to my souped up FSX. I bought P3D V1 when it came out because I was curious to see if it was any different, and rapidly learned that it ain't really much different and was not worth buying, no version of P3D was worth buying before V4 because they were still 32 bit and so they didn't solve that core problem which FSX is stuck with.

But when the 64 bit V4 version came along, that was worth having for sure, which is why I did get hold of it. But we all know that in many screenshots we see you'd be hard pressed to know whether it was P3D or FSX they were taken in, and I know that is true from having been doing a load of them for a review the other day of an aeroplane which works in both sims and if it wasn't for the menu up top on the screenshot, I would not have known which screenshot was which. But, that won't always be true, because you could tart up the appearance of P3D V4 as much as you liked and it wouldn't crash due to VAS, and that is the difference which makes the switch worth it.

So it's good news to know that this QW B787 is gonna be discounted for P3D buyers if they have bought the FSX version (as I noted on another thread, it makes sense for them to do that because it will mean more sales), and I'll be honest here, it will probably retire as far as FSX is concerned when a P3D V4 version makes it to my hard drive, but FSX itself won't, because it has the PMDG 747-400 on it and the PMDG 737NG and the FSL A320. Now I know I could buy those for P3D V4 (well, apart from the FSL just yet) but flatly I refuse to buy the PMDG 747-400 at full price for P3D v4 when I bought the FSX one a matter of weeks earlier, and I don't give a toss what anyone claims about the two things being different products, the 3D model did not have to be completely rebuilt for the two sims, the textures did not have to have the entire artwork done again for the P3D V4 version, and much of the other work for it would enjoy similar benefits. Of course some work is involved, and I'd be willing to pay a fair price for that, since PMDG's products are undeniably excellent, but I'm not going to have the p*** taken out of me by being charged full wack for things where it is just blatant profiteering. And that is exactly what it is with that PMDG 747-400 for P3D, and I don't care how many people pray at the holy church of PMDG and claim they can do no wrong, or any other developer who indulges in that kind of thing for that matter; it ain't just PMDG, because developers who do that absolutely should be pulled up for doing that kind of thing, and especially when they do it to people who've been loyally keeping them in business for years and singing their praises to also further their sales, as many flight simmers have with many developers.

Anyway, back with the QW 787. It's great fun to fly, and since you are gonna be able to get it cheaper for a second sim, there's really not much reason to not give it a whirl in FSX right now.

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6 hours ago, Beardyman said:

Was always wondering what is in P3D that make people "spoiled" ?

Same AI and ATC as FSX, same ugly default airport as FSX, no weather effects implementation as FSX, same stuttering problems as FSX, same ugly default textures ? Really where P3D is so much better ( apart 64bit of course ) 

Don't get me wrong here, i am also P3D user, but without this hype about this sim :-)

It is.... reliable.

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