So I'm looking to get a decent business jet for P3Dv4. I bought the Carenado E50P Phenom 100 a few months back, and while it seems like a really nice jet, I have to say, the whole Garmin G1000 system confuses the hell out of me. I'd like something a bit more....well, easier to use. I know people will say that the G1000 is very straightforward, but I'm a complete word not allowed so no, it's not straightforward for me. These are the other 3 offerings from Carenado that might fit the bill:

 

S550 Citation II

390 Premier 1A

525A Citation CJ2

 

Of course, I'm sure I'm not just limited to Carenado.

 

Any help or advice is appreciated from anyone with experience.

Xtreme prototypes GLJ 25

If you're absolutely set on a Carenado I'd get the C550 and get the GTN 750

edit: where are you seeing these sales

I'm really liking the Carenado Phenom 300 with Bert's GTN750 mod. Ryan's suggestion is a very good choice: the Xtreme Prototype GLJ 25.

Hi Folks,

Dejavu ?

The FlySimWare Lear is my absolute number one biz jet... It makes me smile every time I fly it...

As stated by Ryan - now that the C550 has full GTN integration - I’m sorely tempted (sucker for straight wing biz jets) I may pick that one up myself...

Regards,

Scott

390 Premier 1A

23 minutes ago, ryanbatcund said:

Xtreme prototypes GLJ 25

If you're absolutely set on a Carenado I'd get the C550 and get the GTN 750

edit: where are you seeing these sales

Sorry, it's not a sale. I made a mistake. I'll edit my first post.

 

Thanks Ryan, I'll have a look at the GLJ 25. I'm definitely not necessarily set on Carenado, I'm open to all options.

16 minutes ago, RudiJG1 said:

I'm really liking the Carenado Phenom 300 with Bert's GTN750 mod. Ryan's suggestion is a very good choice: the Xtreme Prototype GLJ 25.

I probably should have clarified, as well as not liking the G1000, I'd also like to avoid the GTN750 as well, for similar reasons.

1 minute ago, scottb613 said:

As stated by Ryan - now that the C550 has full GTN integration - I’m sorely tempted (sucker for straight wing biz jets) I may pick that one up myself...

Just like me.  Sale should start within about 2 weeks, I think.

15 minutes ago, MindYerBeak said:

390 Premier 1A

I like the fact that it uses an FMC to enter a flight plan. The Garmin method of rotating and selecting knobs just doesn't appeal to me at all, so I'm thinking strongly about the Premier now.

 

15 minutes ago, Gregg_Seipp said:

Just like me.  Sale should start within about 2 weeks, I think.

Oh, well if there's a sale coming up I'll hold off for another while.

1º Xtreme prototypes GLJ 25

2º S550 Citation II v2

44 minutes ago, scottb613 said:

Hi Folks,

Dejavu ?

The FlySimWare Lear is my absolute number one biz jet... It makes me smile every time I fly it...

As stated by Ryan - now that the C550 has full GTN integration - I’m sorely tempted (sucker for straight wing biz jets) I may pick that one up myself...

Regards,

Scott

Yeah please get it, maybe some day we'll see another exquisite paint from you hah!

48 minutes ago, nealmac said:

I like the fact that it uses an FMC to enter a flight plan. The Garmin method of rotating and selecting knobs just doesn't appeal to me at all, so I'm thinking strongly about the Premier now.

 

Oh, well if there's a sale coming up I'll hold off for another while.

Hi Neal,

Just keep in mind - unless something has changed - any of Carenado’s navigation products are incapable of performing even some of the most basic of real world navigation excercises - such as a “Direct To” - so if you use any type of realistic ATC - it won’t work well... If you just fly canned flights from A to B without deviation - then it should be fine for you...

 

28 minutes ago, ryanbatcund said:

Yeah please get it, maybe some day we'll see another exquisite paint from you hah!

Hi Ryan,

LOL - I appreciate your enthusiasm which might equate to motivation... We’ll see... I find that a good paint job can dramatically impact my opion of a model...

Regards,

Scott

1 minute ago, scottb613 said:

Hi Neal,

Just keep in mind - unless something has changed - any of Carenado’s navigation products are incapable of performing even some of the most basic of real world navigation excercises - such as a “Direct To” - so if you use any type of realistic ATC - it won’t work well... If you just fly canned flights from A to B without deviation - then it should be fine for you..,

Useful to know, thanks Scott.

The only way these Carenado jets work decent is with the GTN750 and Mr. Pieke's mods.  The newly patched S550 being the exception (only need the GTN750).

Another enthusiastic vote for the Extreme Prototypes Lear.  It's a 60's model without a G1000 or FMS, and only a rudimentary autopilot, which for me makes everything a lot simpler and easier to fly.  The graphics are superb, especially the VC, and the aircraft is just about study level.  Every single switch in the VC works.

My favorite feature is a working 8 track tape player.  This little jewel was actually invented by Bill Lear.  It plays four tracks, with canned music already there, or as I've done, you can make four sound files of your choosing.  Nothing like cruising at 40,000' listening to the Stones really loud.

I can't recommend this aircraft too much.  It's the best business jet I've flown in the last 9 years.