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Only 33% discount for already p3d costumers? Understand that it has to be paid, but I pass this one.

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Very interested in this. However, I see it's $50 without the support option, which is $7.99 for a years support?

I would like it for the SWS Phantom. But am I wrong in thinking it's only got one unit that can shoot back at you, a SAM site?:huh:

With the Harrier at a similar price over on DCS, I am torn what to buy? I like the idea of an armed aircraft in P3dv4, being able to fly anywhere in the world. But some say it's a no no for combat and stick to DCS? 

I will see what's left after the Christmas Turkey has been eaten!:blink:

Happy holidays.

 

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1 hour ago, charlie130 said:

With the Harrier at a similar price over on DCS, I am torn what to buy? I like the idea of an armed aircraft in P3dv4, being able to fly anywhere in the world. But some say it's a no no for combat and stick to DCS? 

I’m thinking the same. DCS just seems so much better and more suited for combat than P3D v4.

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41 minutes ago, Milton Waddams said:

I’m thinking the same. DCS just seems so much better and more suited for combat than P3D v4.

True, but the main limitation in DCS is the limited theater sandbox. With FSX@War, it is possible to have a wide variety of theaters in P3d. I don't think that either sim has a lock on which is "prettier". The aircraft in DCS seem more realistic to me than their direct counterparts in P3d. On the other hand, the VRS FA18E and the Milviz UH-1 are as good as anything in DCS. Unfortunately, IRIS Simulations didn't keep up with improving its A10 Warthog or that would also have been a competitor in P3d.

I'm not a real good authority on which to buy, as I have both sims.

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Might as well wait for DCS 2.5 and the F/A-18 early access release in January. It's not the Super Hornet but at least it's on a platform actually set up for combat. 

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Don’t forget that DCS is coming out with the F-14 next year. I did buy the tacpack  and F-18 upgrades last night also.

 

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11 hours ago, jabloomf1230 said:

True, but the main limitation in DCS is the limited theater sandbox. With FSX@War, it is possible to have a wide variety of theaters in P3d. I don't think that either sim has a lock on which is "prettier". The aircraft in DCS seem more realistic to me than their direct counterparts in P3d. On the other hand, the VRS FA18E and the Milviz UH-1 are as good as anything in DCS. Unfortunately, IRIS Simulations didn't keep up with improving its A10 Warthog or that would also have been a competitor in P3d.

I'm not a real good authority on which to buy, as I have both sims.

Good point re the aircraft quality! DCS have some extraordinary detailed models. 

Apart from the VRS Superbug (which is years old now) I can only see the Phantom as a reasonable sim, albeit a historic aircraft sim!

Perhaps the Just Flight Vulcan, when released will have Tac Pack capability. Combat in P3d is seemingly a niche within a niche market?

 

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16 hours ago, jabloomf1230 said:

I'm not a real good authority on which to buy, as I have both sims.

Wouldn’t that make you a better authority than someone who only has one or the other?

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Not really. It shows I'm not a discriminating consumer. I'm just drawn irrationally to the combat side of things.

Seriously though, for broad-based straight up air combat, DCS is the way to go (or also consider similar PC-based and console games). But if one wants just a good air combat experience without having to worry about adding ANOTHER sim to the stable, just buy Tacpack and stock up on a few good P3d4 birds. There are a variety of freeware Tacpack-enabled aircraft out there. 

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just got the p3dv4 f/a-18 w/ tacpack.  performance is better than what i had on the fsx version since p3dv4 runs better on my box.  

re few things i read here:

1. there's no 'without support' version.  all products are supported and you get updates from links in the support forum. 

2. dcs is good for what it's for but fsx/p3dv4 renders the whole world with realtime wx.  

3. tacpack is for launching ordinance and stuff but the biggest draw for me is the added advanced avionics/sensors (accurate radar modes, EO sensors, etc.) that makes flying fun.

without a doubt, one of the best a/c model is now on the x64 platform and grateful to santa for bring it this year. 

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Sadly, I am unable to use this, as I have P3D V4 Pro, which is unsupported by VRS.  I understand the reason, but I don't agree with it. They have a professional package for very big $ to go with P3D Pro version. It would seem to me that the Pro Plus version would be more appropriate for their commercial offering. I strongly suspect that, because of this strategy on the part of VRS, many simmers felt forced to go with the Academic version who otherwise might have purchased the Pro license.

I personally won't go there, and as a consequence, am sorely tempted to reinstall FSX Steam and run it in a nearly default state to preserve performance, so I can use my several TacPack-capable aircraft in a non-toothless fashion.

Merry Christmas, all, and have fun using TacPack for V4 in the new year!😀🎄

Cheers,

Tom

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8 hours ago, Murfman said:

Sadly, I am unable to use this, as I have P3D V4 Pro, which is unsupported by VRS.  I understand the reason, but I don't agree with it. They have a professional package for very big $ to go with P3D Pro version. It would seem to me that the Pro Plus version would be more appropriate for their commercial offering. I strongly suspect that, because of this strategy on the part of VRS, many simmers felt forced to go with the Academic version who otherwise might have purchased the Pro license.

I personally won't go there, and as a consequence, am sorely tempted to reinstall FSX Steam and run it in a nearly default state to preserve performance, so I can use my several TacPack-capable aircraft in a non-toothless fashion.

Merry Christmas, all, and have fun using TacPack for V4 in the new year!😀🎄

Cheers,

Tom

This has been discussed a few times before. Think about what you are saying. TacPack is a combat simulator add-on. If it would work with the Pro version of P3d (which is to train real world pilots) then it would be being used to train real world combat pilots. That's also the goal of P3d Pro Plus (which BTW, "borrows" many of the concepts from TacPack and which predates the Pro Plus version). So logically, VRS charges the same amount of money for its combat pro training product as LM does. I even hesitated to respond, as these kinds of discussions always wander into time-wasting licensing dialogs.

The simple solution for me was to buy a P3d academic license in addition to my existing pro license.. That's what I did and I use it just for TacPack on an older PC. Had DCS been more advanced at the time, I probably wouldn't have done so.

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Jay, you are obviously more informed that I about what's going on behind the scenes, or, at least, given it more thought.  BTW, I was deliberately trying to have this not turn into a license discussion, which of course is a no-no on this forum and others I regularly visit.

However, you have given me some words to chew on. For that you have my thanks!

Regards,

Tom

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I wasn't directing the licensing statements at you personally, I just didn't want to see the thread get locked by the Mods.

 

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On 12/24/2017 at 5:40 PM, kdfw__ said:

just got the p3dv4 f/a-18 w/ tacpack.  performance is better than what i had on the fsx version since p3dv4 runs better on my box.  

re few things i read here:

1. there's no 'without support' version.  all products are supported and you get updates from links in the support forum. 

2. dcs is good for what it's for but fsx/p3dv4 renders the whole world with realtime wx.  

3. tacpack is for launching ordinance and stuff but the biggest draw for me is the added advanced avionics/sensors (accurate radar modes, EO sensors, etc.) that makes flying fun.

without a doubt, one of the best a/c model is now on the x64 platform and grateful to santa for bring it this year. 

1. OJ thanks for that. But according to the Tac Pack sales site, it's $7.99 each year if you want to have "support". So I don't understand what they are getting at, except to get another $7.99 out of buyers? For heaven sake if you buy a program, support should be there regardless. But I stand corrected if it's free?

2. Agree, that's why I will probably buy it! 

3. Interesting that's what I wanted to know! So your radar will start working properly with Tac Pack! 

Now to research what's available in P3dv4 that has Tac Pack requirements!

Cheers

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1 hour ago, charlie130 said:

1. OJ thanks for that. But according to the Tac Pack sales site, it's $7.99 each year if you want to have "support". So I don't understand what they are getting at, except to get another $7.99 out of buyers? For heaven sake if you buy a program, support should be there regardless. But I stand corrected if it's free?

2. Agree, that's why I will probably buy it! 

3. Interesting that's what I wanted to know! So your radar will start working properly with Tac Pack! 

Now to research what's available in P3dv4 that has Tac Pack requirements!

Cheers

1. product service packs for the same product are always available from links in the support forum.  if you want to download product service packs via the customer portal beyond one year, you'll need to have the 'extended download service' type of agreement.  if you have the p3dv3 version of f/a18/tacpack and want to take advantage of the discount to p3dv4 version, you'll get the full discount if you have a current maintenance agreement, less discount (minus $7.99) if you don't.  

3. TA/AA/GMT/MAP/AGR/SEA/FLIR are all supported.  ground mapping radar even models terrain masking. 

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The pricing for existing customers of this company (VRS) is absolutely ridiculous and terrifying !!!!; and their products are not cheap at all but always stay the same more or less since years.

First product I've payed for was the TacPack/Supberbug Bundle for FSX (years ago); then I was forced to pay for quite the same product again, because I've transferred to P3D v3  (same Bundle for a much higher price and no saving opportunity at this time).

After reading their anouncement about their new pricing model for existiing customers,  I would have been forced to pay again a stiff price for quite the same product - in that case for P3D v4.

 

Experienced in different military sims I must come up with that P3D v4 at its current state will NEVER get close to be a military sim in the foreseeable future for private users, like other out of the box military sims which are already available (like FalconBMS, DCS, CAP2, etc...)

Instead of paying such a ridiculous price for this module (either Superbug or TacPack), its much more better to invest in DCS or - just my two cents - in Falcon BMS (which is almost free of charge and the most demanding Military-Jet-Sim today; NOT graphic wise but in terms of gameplay, strategy, skills; it's a full study military sim).

 

Best regard to all of you.

PS: VRS will never see my money again!!!

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Can someone tell me if I buy the TACPack, is mid air refueling something I can do with the default F16 and F35 ? In other words the tanker is included? Also can I add and fire weapons to the default military aircraft? Thanks.

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3 hours ago, KBUR said:

The pricing for existing customers of this company (VRS) is absolutely ridiculous and terrifying !!!!; and their products are not cheap at all but always stay the same more or less since years.

First product I've payed for was the TacPack/Supberbug Bundle for FSX (years ago); then I was forced to pay for quite the same product again, because I've transferred to P3D v3  (same Bundle for a much higher price and no saving opportunity at this time).

After reading their anouncement about their new pricing model for existiing customers,  I would have been forced to pay again a stiff price for quite the same product - in that case for P3D v4.

 

Experienced in different military sims I must come up with that P3D v4 at its current state will NEVER get close to be a military sim in the foreseeable future for private users, like other out of the box military sims which are already available (like FalconBMS, DCS, CAP2, etc...)

Instead of paying such a ridiculous price for this module (either Superbug or TacPack), its much more better to invest in DCS or - just my two cents - in Falcon BMS (which is almost free of charge and the most demanding Military-Jet-Sim today; NOT graphic wise but in terms of gameplay, strategy, skills; it's a full study military sim).

 

Best regard to all of you.

PS: VRS will never see my money again!!!

Worst is that we have to pay a fee for download 1 year support service to allow the system to make a discount (33%) over the full price. 

Not this time VRS.

 

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6 hours ago, KBUR said:

The pricing for existing customers of this company (VRS) is absolutely ridiculous and terrifying !!!!; and their products are not cheap at all but always stay the same more or less since years.

First product I've payed for was the TacPack/Supberbug Bundle for FSX (years ago); then I was forced to pay for quite the same product again, because I've transferred to P3D v3  (same Bundle for a much higher price and no saving opportunity at this time).

After reading their anouncement about their new pricing model for existiing customers,  I would have been forced to pay again a stiff price for quite the same product - in that case for P3D v4.

 

Experienced in different military sims I must come up with that P3D v4 at its current state will NEVER get close to be a military sim in the foreseeable future for private users, like other out of the box military sims which are already available (like FalconBMS, DCS, CAP2, etc...)

Instead of paying such a ridiculous price for this module (either Superbug or TacPack), its much more better to invest in DCS or - just my two cents - in Falcon BMS (which is almost free of charge and the most demanding Military-Jet-Sim today; NOT graphic wise but in terms of gameplay, strategy, skills; it's a full study military sim).

 

Best regard to all of you.

PS: VRS will never see my money again!!!

Agree with you 100%. Other developers such as Milviz, SimWorks Studios, Sim Skunk Works etc allow a user to purchase then CHOOSE during install which version of sim to install in. They do not charge again for what in essence is the same exact product. Shame on you VRS.

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There seems to be some major confusion here about what VRS did with regard to pricing. First of all, they have been supporting  and updating the FSX versions for free for years now with no additional source of income from the majority of their users, except if someone felt gracious and paid the nominal annual support fee, which entitled  the user to personalized support. VRS said for months that the transition to 64 bits would be extremely time-consuming and anyone who thinks that this was a trivial exercise is absolutely and utterly wrong about how complex it was to get working weapons and damage piggybacked on top of FSX, let alone rewriting everything for 64 bits. There IS a reason that LM charges thousands of US dollars for the Pro Plus version. And as I said before, LM had the benefit of observing how VRS made Tacpack work with FSX.

All that aside, go ahead and buy DCS. The V2 alpha is not cheap either once you start adding up aircraft and other content. And don't buy any of VRS's products. You'll never know what you're missing.

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