I hope that people are smart enough not to confuse technologic advancements with branding. 

I just love, how you guys are comparing apples and oranges.

The only common denominator is, that they're both fruit. Just like the only common denominator with regards to AeroFly FS2 and Prepar3D, is that they've both simulators.

Sorry for the cynicism, guys. 

Edited July 24, 20187 yr by ABermann

24 minutes ago, jabloomf1230 said:

I hope that people are smart enough not to confuse technologic advancements with branding. 

Sorry Jay, I’m usually fairly good at unpicking cryptic remarks but I’m afraid I must ask you to untangle this one for me, please...lol

Regards,

Mike 🤓

Just watch a few ads for "high performance" cars, smartphones and TVs. The ads attempt to create a unique niche for the brand, when in fact, the differences are probably not detectable by the average user. Anyone for an iPhone X?

3 hours ago, jabloomf1230 said:

Just watch a few ads for "high performance" cars, smartphones and TVs. The ads attempt to create a unique niche for the brand, when in fact, the differences are probably not detectable by the average user. Anyone for an iPhone X?

Couldn’t agree more! As a somewhat reluctant owner of the Sony Ericsson ‘Cyber-Shot’ pay-as-you-go mobile phone (museum piece?) which is rarely used, but when it is fulfills all my modest requirements. I find myself thinking that anyone shelling out £999 on an iPhone X really needs to have their head examined.

But, how does this translate and remain relevant to the subject title? Perhaps, after all, this confusion is indicative of my remaining healthy and active synaptic neural connection breaking down under the strain 🤪

We have been discussing the practicalities and merits of moving to a new API and comparing objective evidence of undeniable performance improvements achieved in at least one flight simulation with various contemporary games, all of which have adopted or are demonstrating serious intentions of adopting ‘VULKAN’.

Regards,

Mike

 

 

Microsoft had other priories and turned there focus on game console and even now have just taken on another 5 game studios, and judging by their last financial report they were right, the fact is that flight sims are niche product and not mainstream, game console titles are sold in the millions each one about the same price as a flight sim. the latest to titles can sell 2 to 4 million in less than 2 months, as for the revenue from P3D LM spend more hospitality and promotion its a drop in the bucket.     

As for adopting a new API only time will tell, but question will be at what cost will the developer just suck it up or will he need to see a return for his investment, and will third party developers just need to patch there product or a major update again at what cost.

Edited July 24, 20187 yr by rjfry

1 hour ago, rjfry said:

As for adopting a new API only time will tell, but question will be at what cost will the developer just suck it up or will he need to see a return for his investment, and will third party developers just need to patch there product or a major update again at what cost.

That is the pressing question.  What concerns me is one of the major players is a military contractor and I just don't see them rewriting a bunch of code...but stranger things have happened.

6 hours ago, SmokeDiddy said:

That is the pressing question.  What concerns me is one of the major players is a military contractor and I just don't see them rewriting a bunch of code...but stranger things have happened.

Yes but the fact they are sending developers to the flight sim shows now says something, and were willing to do interviews at Vegas and are working closely with third party developers is a good thing.

7 hours ago, rjfry said:

Yes but the fact they are sending developers to the flight sim shows now says something, and were willing to do interviews at Vegas and are working closely with third party developers is a good thing.

I concur.  I am keeping hope alive.

I have tried FS2 and I must say that it's amazing. I have two sceneries: New York and Innsbruck. I have never seen 200fps in a 3440x1440 in my whole life. All max out!!!! This is really the future. Moreover for VR. I'm having my pimax 5k+ this month. No other simulator is so well optimized. It has to improve somethings but... we need to support the companies that are making the effort to bring more performance. 

DX12 for P3D and vulkan for DCS and Xplane or those companies will remain in the past and will lose clients in favour of other flight simulators.

7700k OC 5ghz and 2080ti

Edited November 2, 20187 yr by JAVILIP

On 7/24/2018 at 4:46 AM, SmokeDiddy said:

This has been a veery interesting read regardless of the speculation.  It's too bad we cannot get into the mind of those at LM to know what they're thinking.  XP is getting much more love over there with 3PP and updates to the sim coming quickly and LR has told us where they're headed.  I do not see a slow down for XP, but one has to consider the future of P3D.  I mean it's pretty good as it is today, but at some point, hardware or OS will force them to either change or shut it down.

As much as I love to use what I have and I do, which is P3D v3.4, a few PMDG, the Majestic Dash 8 Q400, Orbx regions, FSCaptain, GSX, ActiveSky X, REX Texture Direct...I will celebrate the day I get out of P3D for good.  I've always detested the phony EULA nonsense, and the insinuation desktop pilots are being done a favor for the the privilege of being able to cough up $200 a pop for next iterations of a base platform that is a decade old and shows it.  It's really 3rd party content that make P3D worth using.   Admittedly I've been less interested in supporting for example Xplane as I have so much $$ tied up already w/ P3D.   As soon as I can resume using something like FSCaptain and have PMDG quality aircraft I will likely make the jump.  That is, when content gets up to speed it will be time to abandon ship for good.  I understand more users of XP ultimately translates to greater scope of 3rd party content so I'm very guilty of not helping the cause of getting something like XP to parity w/ P3D.

I must say that I hope for a total revamp of the P3D´s engine for the next version. The graphic fidelity difference between P3D and XP/DCS is just enormous at this point. Even though some of my favorite aircraft are on P3D, I have almost to force myself to open it. Coming from XP with full motion-controller VR support, great physics, true PBR, free ortho-photos for half of the world, to P3D feels like going back to FS2004 at this point.

6 hours ago, Noel said:

As much as I love to use what I have and I do, which is P3D v3.4, a few PMDG, the Majestic Dash 8 Q400, Orbx regions, FSCaptain, GSX, ActiveSky X, REX Texture Direct...I will celebrate the day I get out of P3D for good.  I've always detested the phony EULA nonsense, and the insinuation desktop pilots are being done a favor for the the privilege of being able to cough up $200 a pop for next iterations of a base platform that is a decade old and shows it.  It's really 3rd party content that make P3D worth using.   Admittedly I've been less interested in supporting for example Xplane as I have so much $$ tied up already w/ P3D.   As soon as I can resume using something like FSCaptain and have PMDG quality aircraft I will likely make the jump.  That is, when content gets up to speed it will be time to abandon ship for good.  I understand more users of XP ultimately translates to greater scope of 3rd party content so I'm very guilty of not helping the cause of getting something like XP to parity w/ P3D.

Well you do not need much to start with XP11. Just install the base simulator, generate some orthos for your region, download the latest Zibo 737 and have fun! I haven`t flown the NGX in ages.

Would you guys be prepared to start from scratch when a V5 with a new designed engine breaks backwards compatibility ?

Looking at myself I have perhaps payed a thousend euro’s for addons in the last 3-4 years...

🤔

 

one would do anything for the luv of this hobby😉