8 minutes ago, duckbilled said:

Thanks. I'm open to adding AM back in. 84 then?

Something that must be tried on any particular system as there's no simple answer. Remember though that it is the arrangement that can provide the most throughput you need, that's 01 on the right - check.

But you have four cores so there's not a lot can be done now P3Dv4 altered things as Bert mentioned six is the new four in that respect because the work has been moved along a bit.

 

Reducing to three cores is only advised if the add-on's are so aggressive that they really do require full throughput of any core, then unfortunately we might need to give one up entirely.

84=01,01,01,00 which uses three cores 3,2,1, leaving core zero free put addons on AM=3=00,00,00,11.

Maybe better to use 11,11,01,01 or 11,11,11,01. and put addons on 11,11,11,00 two of those - find the best ones.

...Reality check. Just as those that do love to mention it - P3D and your add-on's simply run and forgot work well, especially with six or more cores and P3Dv4, very well.

But it's not the best system and it's not the tuned set-up that some like to have.

It's no good pointing out any kind of diatribe as if to say it is not required as much as to say it is useless when those that use this understanding to, and I'll be honest, better effect than I thought of at first. That's because they have vast and complex systems.

The bottom line is that if we turn on HT and get less performance it's our fault for running software unattended.

 

30 minutes ago, SteveW said:

...Reality check. Just as those that do love to mention it - P3D and your add-on's simply run and forgot work well, especially with six or more cores and P3Dv4, very well.

But it's not the best system and it's not the tuned set-up that some like to have.

It's no good pointing out any kind of diatribe as if to say it is not required as much as to say it is useless when those that use this understanding to, and I'll be honest, better effect than I thought of at first. That's because they have vast and complex systems.

The bottom line is that if we turn on HT and get less performance it's our fault for running software unattended.

 

I agree Steve, however in this case there is a problem with GSX2 and an issue with simconnect I suspect...

Had a flight from FSDT LSGG to FT EHAM and FSL A319 both with GSX2 SODE jetways; departure wend fine however at fl110
above the Netherlands in the boundary of loading the airport in this case AMS...
I had huge blurriness even accessing the menu and change a setting was abnormal time to load... CPU was at 84% GPU at 32% something was overloading simconnect in the background I suspect...

HT enabled with AM and always running smooth with crystal clear textures, same flight without GSX2 no problems or with GSX1 😉

Time to start some log files...

Cheers,

Edited September 13, 20187 yr by awf

... and again, we have an AM discussion. Somehow I am getting tired of this.

1 minute ago, Nemo said:

... and again, we have an AM discussion. Somehow I am getting tired of this.

AM maths are complicated and amazing at the same time.

Clearly people suffering CPU load issues for wherever reason are having blurries, so anything we can share to help them is useful.

Regards,

S

I do think this discussion is taking away from the central problem here. We wouldn't have an 8 page thread here and a 16 page thread at FSDT is this was an AM issue. Also, a vanilla .cfg and HT on is a pretty default setup. 

This comes down to something very simply. Let's not muddy the waters.

GSXL1=Best performing system I have ever built

No GSXL2=Best performing system I have ever built

GSXL2=Unflyable

Of all the things I have loaded into a sim over the years, I have never come across such a drastic change in performance. This is not an issue of tuning for optimum performance. This is an issue with GSXL2, and it has a very heaving impact for something you only use for a few minutes.

10 minutes ago, simbol said:

AM maths are complicated and amazing at the same time.

Clearly people suffering CPU load issues for wherever reason are having blurries, so anything we can share to help them is useful.

Regards,

S

I appreciate the help, but the problem is with GSXL2. Really only the developer can fix this situation. This discussion seems to be shifting the responsibility to the user, and I don't think that is fair.

Also, it is important to note that we cannot go back to L1. Even people that didn't purchase L2 were automatically upgraded to L2 in trial mode. Some of those people are also experiencing issues.

As it stands, I could just live without GSXL2 - it is not that big of a deal to me, but I do want all of the FSDT scenery I have purchased back along with GSXL1.

Well, like I say, we have to get that system set-up all right first so we know its capacity.

Next we fiddle with add-ins, not the other way round.

When we see drastic problems with a certain software that the devs and others find to be satisfactory, then in those cases it is usually unforeseen interaction with other add-in stuff, could be just a way of writing a cfg for a static model that appears at certain airports that causes all the fuss - anything.

But it should not be assumed that the app in question that seems to 'cause the problem' is at fault.

Instead we must get the system in a state that works with the problem software and then add-in something we suspect is the cause. It could be either way.

 

36 minutes ago, Nemo said:

... and again, we have an AM discussion. Somehow I am getting tired of this.

That's pretty fair in the scheme of things. But then it's also one of the most mis-understood items and passed off as some kind of thing for nerds. That's not fair, it is for those that like to keep things sharp and at their advantage, like pilots. The AM discussion was started when one person said he found HT to be an advantage and another claimed HT to be some kind of disadvantage - as if it were completely unreliable. The facts can be found in this thread that the experience has been explained, the pros and cons of things I recommend have sound explanations and proof.

There are similar threads allover the place, VSync on or off, locked fps, loading the sim in a private folder, tweaks, and many others, all come up all the time. It's best to help out when we know what's best, that's what we do and like to do it. Rather than bemoan it, respect is deserved here, guys like Simbol and Bert are the best around.

 

Edited September 13, 20187 yr by SteveW

In all the years that I have been dealiig with computers and flight simulation I am always amazed at the number of people who continually blame a single program for their troubles based upon the "it worked before and it works after so it's the programs fault" theory.

Although there are a few occasions where this might be true, the majority of the time it is simply that the newest program revealed a deficiency in the system that wasn't apparent.

These problems are system specific - if that were not true then every user of the program would have the problem.

So, rather than blaming any one program I suggest delving into the systems of those who have the issues and find the OTHER common points that might give a clue to the real problem.

Does anyone here REALLY think that an experienced developer would release a complex add-on without testing?

Vic

16 minutes ago, duckbilled said:

I appreciate the help, but the problem is with GSXL2. Really only the developer can fix this situation. This discussion seems to be shifting the responsibility to the user, and I don't think that is fair.

Also, it is important to note that we cannot go back to L1. Even people that didn't purchase L2 were automatically upgraded to L2 in trial mode. Some of those people are also experiencing issues.

As it stands, I could just live without GSXL2 - it is not that big of a deal to me, but I do want all of the FSDT scenery I have purchased back along with GSXL1.

What you are experiencing is the sudden symptoms of the problem due to High CPU load, there are many variables that could  contribute to this in your particular system so it is not fair to blame a single addon for it.

This is why I am asking people for Data, it is crucial to collect as much information possible in order to understand were the simulator is having the tipping point to reach to this situation.

For an instance are you running on 4k, UDH or 1680x1050? Are you using SSAA or MSAA? Are you reaching your thermal throttling threshold? All these settings and situations together in conjunction with a new addon that is implementing new technology could cause the problem, however people keep just not providing information and blaming what they believe it is the most obvious reason.

Developers need data to understand, find and fix / improve problems, otherwise it is all guess work which will give you guys more frustration and disappointment.

And again I am trying to help all of you, the better your systems run, the happier you all are and it this reflects better for the entire community.

Best wishes,

S.

 

23 minutes ago, simbol said:

What you are experiencing is the sudden symptoms of the problem due to High CPU load, there are many variables that could  contribute to this in your particular system so it is not fair to blame a single addon for it.

This is why I am asking people for Data, it is crucial to collect as much information possible in order to understand were the simulator is having the tipping point to reach to this situation.

For an instance are you running on 4k, UDH or 1680x1050? Are you using SSAA or MSAA? Are you reaching your thermal throttling threshold? All these settings and situations together in conjunction with a new addon that is implementing new technology could cause the problem, however people keep just not providing information and blaming what they believe it is the most obvious reason.

Developers need data to understand, find and fix / improve problems, otherwise it is all guess work which will give you guys more frustration and disappointment.

And again I am trying to help all of you, the better your systems run, the happier you all are and it this reflects better for the entire community.

Best wishes,

S.

 

I do appreciate the advice, and am wiling to provide data when asked. What exactly are you looking for? Umberto really wasn't interested in gathering data to identify some commonality between systems - this would have been a logical approach to identifying the issue. Perhaps I missed his post, but I don't recall seeing it. Why it is fantastic to have help from the community, this really is Umberto's problem. He is the one cashing the checks.

So, I'm being told that adding AM will fix the issue. With my system, I know there are a limited number of options. What are they? I know 84 is one of them with HT on and 14 is one with HT off. In plain English, what are the other options?

I think the issue with this is those that are not experiencing this issue are not comprehending the severity of the issue. It is like trying to describe debilitating pain to a doctor and having the doctor tell you to take a multivitamin supplement.

6 minutes ago, duckbilled said:

So, I'm being told that adding AM will fix the issue. With my system, I know there are a limited number of options. What are they? I know 84 is one of them with HT on and 14 is one with HT off. In plain English, what are the other options?

I think the issue with this is those that are not experiencing this issue are not comprehending the severity of the issue. It is like trying to describe debilitating pain to a doctor and having the doctor tell you to take a multivitamin supplement.

You are not being told that at all.. the discussion drifted off topic.

AM may help, but the underlying issue appears to be GSX.. and I would agree that that needs to cured if that is the actual problem.

If you are running a quad processor with HT on, start by trying an AM of 253.  11 11 11 01 and see if you feel better in the morning.

Edited September 13, 20187 yr by Bert Pieke

We don't know the solution yet, AM might be alleviating the symptoms.

If scroll back a couple of pages, you will find the post were I requested the data that I am talking about.

Regards,

Simbol 

19 minutes ago, Bert Pieke said:

You are not being told that at all.. the discussion drifted off topic.

AM may help, but the underlying issue appears to be GSX.. and I would agree that that needs to cured if that is the actual problem.

If you are running a quad processor with HT on, start by trying an AM of 253.  11 11 11 01 and see if you feel better in the morning.

Thanks. Will do.

15 minutes ago, simbol said:

We don't know the solution yet, AM might be alleviating the symptoms.

If scroll back a couple of pages, you will find the post were I requested the data that I am talking about.

Regards,

Simbol 

Thanks for digging into this:

Video Card model and memory: 1080TI, 11GB 

Video Card Nvidia drivers 398.36 WHQL

CPU Model and Speed 4790k @4.4

Are you using Nvidia control panel yes or no? No

How do you want the rest of the list? For the snapshots, are you looking screenshots or something? If so, of what.

7 minutes ago, duckbilled said:

Thanks. Will do.

Thanks for digging into this:

Video Card model and memory: 1080TI, 11GB 

Video Card Nvidia drivers 398.36 WHQL

CPU Model and Speed 4790k @4.4

Are you using Nvidia control panel yes or no? No

How do you want the rest of the list? For the snapshots, are you looking screenshots or something? If so, of what.

Yea screenshots of P3D settings would work.

Ideally anybody else having the same problem should also report the same information.

S.