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PMDG - Tell us the real status for the JS41 and P3D V4

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Felt it was time to stir the pot...

After seeing posts below in 2017 of the JS41 being tested in P3D using the GTN750 and a FaceBook post with screenshots, there has been no communication.  I made the mistake of purchasing the GTN750 for use in the  "new" JS41...my bad.   So, I am asking PMDG to provide a real status for the JS41...is it or is it not going to be updated and released P3D V4?  There are many sim pilots who prefer to fly the smaller turbo props and the JS41 was a staple.  If the JS41 is not being worked and will not be released for P3D  V4 then the title of this piece of the forum should be PMDG Turbo Props (FSX).  P3D has been around long enough and taken the lead as the primary sim along with Xplane as a second.  FSX has been unsupported by Microsoft for years and represents very old technology. Do I still have it installed...yes...do I use it...no.  Thanks

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I would like to know too.

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I've given up to wait for the Jetstream.. I think they don't know themselves if they are going to (try to) finish it for P3Dv4. The last information we got was an unofficial statement from a beta tester that PMDG had problems to replicate the very special engines of the J41 in P3Dv4 a year ago or so, maybe half a year ago.. . And without them the airplane is simply not existent. It would be a pity if we lost the J41 but I understand that this airplane is not very high on their priority as it always has been a small side project next to the big and by far better selling Boeings. PMDG are a business and sometimes business decisions aren't the most loved decisions. Although some communication would certainly be neater and better than ignoring the customers completely. 

However, @av8t0rto be honest I wouldn't expect to get any answers without you signing your posts 😉 

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Yeah, Ephedrin.

A year ago last September a PMDG'er said it would be out soon. So, there you go.

If I didn't have so many awesome aircraft to fly, I might be sad. It would be nice to have though. It'd be the only PMDG/FSL/Leonardo/Majestic aircraft I've actually flown.

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I think PMDG have given up on the J41. Would loved to be proved wrong, but even if PMDG think they haven't, they always seem to have something to do they consider more important. They canned the FSX:SE version and that just needed an installer and IAS hold tweak, they never got around to releasing it for P3D v1-3 either.

Any questions on J41 for P3Dv4 are generally met with an official silence, the unofficial information mentioned above is really all we have and its present status is frustrating given there's screenshots of it in P3Dv4 albeit without the GNS-XLS FMS. The J41 is the Cinderella that will never get to the ball 😞 There's no real study level alternative at this size either, the closest thing would be Carenado's Saab 340.

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very sad - both the lack of any information and the fact that this wonderful plane seems not be able to make it across the finish line for p4dv4!

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5 minutes ago, Chrjs said:

very sad - both the lack of any information and the fact that this wonderful plane seems not be able to make it across the finish line for p4dv4!

What lack of information? We have communicated that the 748 and GFO developement have been taken the resources from the JS41. From the moment there is no other communication on that it means that this is still the status

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Once the 748 and GFO are out, there will be something else that's more important. That's the thing, the J41 is always bottom of the pile, its status is forever in limbo.

I personally blame GFO for our lack of a P3Dv4 J41, GFO appeared out of nowhere to crush my dreams (I say that somewhat tongue in cheek)

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To be fair Chris, for years there have been no statements about the J41, only about other projects to be more important. It somehow seems that PMDG struggles to avoid to give any answer on the J41 by constantly pointing the focus on other things. Be it the Queen or GFO. The last thing directly concering the J41 was „it‘s going to land soon“. After that everything else only sounded like „the 74X has taken the resources, GFO has taken the resources, the NG3 has taken the resources. And I’m confident that after their release any updates or new aircraft will officially take the resources. A simple sentence including the J41 and its planned future concering a possible release would be really great. Either a „yes we DO want to release it for P3D“ or a „we actually don‘t know or care about its release“. But this constant plead of other projects is really not fair to those who would love to pay you for it. The J41 isn‘t something that you bought and sell in a back street, it‘s actually a PMDG airplane with all the quality and perfection. But pushing it back all the time makes it seem like you wouldn‘t like it yourself, like if it was a pain that PMDG regrets to ever have done. I can‘t imagine that it‘s that hard for Robert to make a decision about this airplane, as there will always be a project that has a higher financial value.

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I don't know how Robert feels about the J41 but he must have (or had) considerable affection for it since he green lighted the original development of what is/was a fairly niché airliner by simming standards. Of course it was also convenient given he flew the J41 in service, but I like to think that fostered some warm feelings towards it. The J41 is technically quite impressive, OEW (6.5t) is much lighter than a Saab 340 (8.1t), Do328 (9.1t) or EMB-120 (7.5t) for the same seat count which I presume coupled with its smaller frontal cross section makes it the most fuel efficient, albeit at the cost of the most cramped cabin.

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26 minutes ago, ckyliu said:

it appeared out of nowhere to crush my dreams (I say that somewhat tongue in cheek)

I'm glad you qualified that statement 🙄

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I knew it'd trigger peeps if I didn't qualify it! But in all seriousness I am a bit annoyed because I stayed on FSX a long time purely for the J41. I reformatted, upgraded and switched to P3Dv4 partly because PMDG said the J41 would be released for it soon. Then GFO reared its ugly head and pooped the party (especially annoying given the mixed reception its announcement got), very frustrating to see an apparently nearly finished J41 port deprived of resources to overcome its final few hurdles.

More fool me I guess - I've said for years make purchase decisions based solely on current product state, not future intentions of the developer!

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I'm actually really looking forward to GFO as it (hopefully) eventually gives some sense to my flying. A connected world of pilots and dispatch, airlines and issues is basically my wet FS dreams of years coming true. However I absolutely hate the matter that somehow everything seems to be more important than keeping "going to future"-promises. Robert usually takes enormous care of the words he uses to not say anything that he can't revoke. And I have learnt at school (yeah I know, my english has suffered a lot since that days) that the use of "going to" means something definite. Can be totally wrong of course in regards of the actual use of native speakers but again, Robert normally never does statements frivolously. I would fully understand if PMDG told us that they can't manage the engines of the J41 in P3Dv4 within a reasonable financial effort and they can't continue it for economical reasons. Or whatever reason it is that holds the j41 on the ground. But this silence after a definite promise (and there is no need to play with words now, that was a promise!) is actually not the kind way to treat customers you want to sell a NG3 or other products to. Sure, we'll buy it anyway and PMDG knows that. But still that's not exactly polite. Only a little "hey, we still plan to release it not too far from now" would probably help a lot.

At least the J41 is still up at 5 Millions on the PMDG website.. It's not officially dropped. 

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I was going to point to some information that is still relevant, and then I saw the commentary about my project...

Feels bad man...

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2 hours ago, scandinavian13 said:

I was going to point to some information that is still relevant, and then I saw the commentary about my project...

Feels bad man...

Just remember this is an opinion from a very small percentage of users.  99% of us are happy with the direction of PMDG.  Keep up the good work!

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@scandinavian13 Kyle, I don't think we've said anything bad about GFO in this thread (I presume that's what you meant by "commentary about my project"), sorry if you took anything personally though, certainly wasn't intended that way; I think my tongue-in-cheek frustration/humour may have been lost in translation somewhere from English to American.

It's just some of us would've preferred those developmental resources deployed finishing the J41 P3Dv4 before they were put to work elsewhere. I get that as a business PMDG deploy resources for maximum return on investment, but for those eager for the J41 (and I believe there's more of us than most give credit for) it feels like GFO jumped the queue (along with other large projects). Just weary of playing second fiddle for so many years.

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17 minutes ago, mpw8679 said:

 99% of us are happy with the direction of PMDG.  Keep up the good work!

+++1 happy to wait. After all, waited long enough for the MD-11, the 737NGX, the QOTSII, the 747-8i. And rewarded with top class aircraft, 99.9% of the real things.

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@vc10manYes but the J41 is not a new aircraft development, it's just a port from FSX to P3Dv4. So it shouldn't take anywhere near as long as the work is already done, it's such a small project compared to any of those you mention.

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Why some people feel the need to attempt to bully around and make demands of a developer is quite beyond me. Getting excited about a future release is one thing, getting angry with PMDG for not providing an update just to suit your lack of patience is completely another!

This is a company that has generally had a policy of no status updates unless there is significant information, and quite frankly, why should they feel the need to constantly drip feed us information? Just wait, and enjoy their other products whilst you do...

PMDG chaps, keep up the good work, and don't pay any attention to the leagues of trolls here...

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11 minutes ago, ckyliu said:

@vc10manYes but the J41 is not a new aircraft development, it's just a port from FSX to P3Dv4. So it shouldn't take anywhere near as long as the work is already done, it's such a small project compared to any of those you mention.

As you are very helpful on the Majestic Forum, I will reply to you in a polite way, and say that you do have a valid point with that argument and it does make cogent sense. But, at the end of the day, whom does the PMDG roadmap belong to? Us mere simmers, or developers to whom -----as has been pointed out earlier, -------we are mere drop of their revenue. Juxtapose yourselves in PMDG's business role.

As a very long-term simmer, I have lost count how very long I waited......waited......and waited.

And we are still waiting for that 767/757 from Level-D..........

I rest my case

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1 hour ago, ckyliu said:

@scandinavian13 Kyle, I don't think we've said anything bad about GFO in this thread 

 

Oh come on...

„Then GFO reared its ugly head and pooped thparty(especially annoying given the mixed reception its announcement got)“

Sth like that is like a kick in the face...

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@Ephedrin you cut out the most important part! 

2 hours ago, ckyliu said:

@scandinavian13sorry if you took anything personally... wasn't intended that way; I think my tongue-in-cheek frustration/humour may have been lost in translation somewhere from English to American.

But even if I was serious (which for clarity I WASN'T), heaven forbid someone should express less than full backing for an in-development PMDG product eh?

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Gents,

Chris's post - as he noted - was meant to be tongue-in-cheek. My reaction to it is my own choice, and my own responsibility. I chose to react in a similar manner by using meme-speak. A lot of the flight sim streamers use the phrase.

You all know me well enough that I'll hold my own if I feel that it's necessary. I didn't take it as combative. It wasn't the most glowing thing I've heard, but it seemed to be honest feedback in the form of a bit of a joke. My response was in kind. The information is already out there. The answer to the question of this thread is also out there - same answer. No conspiracies. There are enough conspiracies out there that are too hilarious to compete with. No need to make one up here...

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All good...

Like I said: the J41 would be great, but I've got plenty to fly in the meantime.

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3 hours ago, ckyliu said:

It's just some of us would've preferred those developmental resources deployed finishing the J41 P3Dv4 before they were put to work elsewhere.

it feels like GFO jumped the queue

If I recall correctly, they (Kyle?) said when GFO was announced that it wouldn't take resources away from aircraft projects.

 

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