August 12, 20196 yr The announcement says DTG will remain with FSX on Steam indefinitely. But MS now has the exclusive rights to develop it, whereas DTG used to have those rights. And MS obviously had what they thought was a good reason for deciding they will not be collecting any more fees from DTG in the future. MS surely believes they have now gained something more valuable than those now lost fees, however small they might have been. Perhaps what they value is assurance that their upcoming new flightsim is now going to be more lawsuit proof. That new simulator is what is important to MS. Probably MS does not think FSX itself is going to make them any more money, but instead would lose them money. But they still need to own it anyway. 5800X3D, RTX4070, 600 Watt, one or two 1440p 32" screens, 64 GB RAM, 4 TB PCle 3 NVMe, Warthog throttle, VKB NXT EVO stick, Honeycomb Alpha yoke, CH quad, 3 Logitech panels, 2 StreamDecks, Desktop Aviator Trim Panel. Crystal Light VR.
August 12, 20196 yr 1 hour ago, Fielder said: The announcement says DTG will remain with FSX on Steam indefinitely. But MS now has the exclusive rights to develop it, whereas DTG used to have those rights. And MS obviously had what they thought was a good reason for deciding they will not be collecting any more fees from DTG in the future. MS surely believes they have now gained something more valuable than those now lost fees, however small they might have been. Perhaps what they value is assurance that their upcoming new flightsim is now going to be more lawsuit proof. That new simulator is what is important to MS. Probably MS does not think FSX itself is going to make them any more money, but instead would lose them money. But they still need to own it anyway. Is it possible that they will turn FSX into 64 bit and build from there ? In laymen terms it certainly makes good sense. ZORAN
August 12, 20196 yr Moderator 49 minutes ago, zmak said: Is it possible that they will turn FSX into 64 bit and build from there ? In laymen terms it certainly makes good sense. They would be playing catch-up with P3D. Don't see the point of any further development of FSX. L-M has cornered that market. Ray (Cheshire, England). System: P3D v5.3HF2, Intel i9-13900K, MSI 4090 GAMING X TRIO 24G, Crucial T700 4Tb M.2 SSD, Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Hero, 32Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR5 6000Mhz RAM, Win 11 Pro 64-bit, BenQ PD3200U 32” UHD monitor, Fulcrum One yoke, Fulcrum Throttle Quadrant. Cheadle Hulme Weather website.
August 12, 20196 yr 1 hour ago, Ray Proudfoot said: They would be playing catch-up with P3D. Don't see the point of any further development of FSX. L-M has cornered that market. But, officially, not for the entertainment market. i7-14700k | Asus ROG STRIX Z790-F Gaming WIFI | 32GB DDR5 RAM | MSI RTX 4080 Super | WD Black SN850X 1TB & 2TB | Corsair HX1000i ATX3.0 | MSI MAG401QR 40" monitor | Win 11 Pro 64-bit | Meta Quest 3
August 12, 20196 yr 16 hours ago, Paraffin said: Sure, but unless the new MSFS sim is spectacularly better than what people can get now with FSX, then there will be no reason at all for these users to buy the new one. I agree to a point, but assuming that the graphics and scenery are as good as the trailer (and that nothing else is worse than we already have), that alone should be enough to sell the sim. i7-14700k | Asus ROG STRIX Z790-F Gaming WIFI | 32GB DDR5 RAM | MSI RTX 4080 Super | WD Black SN850X 1TB & 2TB | Corsair HX1000i ATX3.0 | MSI MAG401QR 40" monitor | Win 11 Pro 64-bit | Meta Quest 3
August 12, 20196 yr Moderator 37 minutes ago, vortex681 said: But, officially, not for the entertainment market. Agreed but if you were Microsoft would it make sense to spend a whole load of effort on FSX Reborn when you already have its replacement in the works? Ray (Cheshire, England). System: P3D v5.3HF2, Intel i9-13900K, MSI 4090 GAMING X TRIO 24G, Crucial T700 4Tb M.2 SSD, Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Hero, 32Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR5 6000Mhz RAM, Win 11 Pro 64-bit, BenQ PD3200U 32” UHD monitor, Fulcrum One yoke, Fulcrum Throttle Quadrant. Cheadle Hulme Weather website.
August 12, 20196 yr I would not read too much into MS's FSX statement. The contract with DT has simply expired, and DT might not want to renew it. So the responsibility for FSX-SE automatically returns to MS. Obviously MS does not want to kill off FSX-SE at the moment. We do not know how many MS resources will be allocated to it. Could be just maintanance to keep it running on future Windows patches and versions. P3D45, 8700K, RTX3080Ti, 32 GB, HDD 3 + 6 TB, SSD 0.5 TB Warthog HOTAS, Honeycomb Bravo, MFG pedals, Reverb G2
August 12, 20196 yr 1 hour ago, dilore said: I would not read too much into MS's FSX statement. The contract with DT has simply expired, and DT might not want to renew it. So the responsibility for FSX-SE automatically returns to MS. Obviously MS does not want to kill off FSX-SE at the moment. We do not know how many MS resources will be allocated to it. Could be just maintanance to keep it running on future Windows patches and versions. From a business view DT already made big improvements turning it into fsx se so the sim owes them nothing. No way they would dump it . Would be easy to structure a new deal if Microsoft didn't want it. exciting months ahead it look's like MS Will give the sim world a big shake! Edited August 12, 20196 yr by zmak ZORAN
August 12, 20196 yr 2 hours ago, dilore said: I would not read too much into MS's FSX statement. The contract with DT has simply expired, and DT might not want to renew it. So the responsibility for FSX-SE automatically returns to MS. Obviously MS does not want to kill off FSX-SE at the moment. We do not know how many MS resources will be allocated to it. Could be just maintanance to keep it running on future Windows patches and versions. I'm just reading into what was stated at face value. If your speculation is right, why go through the trouble of talking so much about it? Why would they specifically talk about their accountability for something no one even expected them to touch again? 5800X3D. 32 GB RAM. 1TB SATA SSD. 3TB HDD. RX 9070XT.
August 12, 20196 yr 38 minutes ago, zmak said: From a business view DT already made big improvements turning it into fsx se so the sim owes them nothing. No way they would dump it . DT dumped FSW, containing even more improvements. P3D45, 8700K, RTX3080Ti, 32 GB, HDD 3 + 6 TB, SSD 0.5 TB Warthog HOTAS, Honeycomb Bravo, MFG pedals, Reverb G2
August 12, 20196 yr 9 minutes ago, dilore said: DT dumped FSW, containing even more improvements. Because they dumped a lot of money into it and the community was lukewarm on it. It's a lot less expensive to get publishing rights for a game more than a decade old. 5800X3D. 32 GB RAM. 1TB SATA SSD. 3TB HDD. RX 9070XT.
August 12, 20196 yr MS just want to keep FSX-SE alive to be able to pipeline its users into FS2020 when it comes along. And hopefully to keep the 3rd-party developers going so as to be able to support the new sim too. The best thing about FSX was it's breadth - no matter what you wanted to do there was a way to do it. The new sim, from a games developer without real sim history, will be much more focussed, and I expect lacking in some things that some of us will regard as essential... Cheers Keith ...
August 12, 20196 yr 2 hours ago, Krakin said: Because they dumped a lot of money into it and the community was lukewarm on it. It's a lot less expensive to get publishing rights for a game more than a decade old. DTG owned the publishing rights for FSW. And they already hold the rights for FSX-SE. But ok, I see what you mean. Well, I think nobody except DT knows why they dropped it. Fact is, they dropped it. I think it's not unprobable Dovetail may have similar reasons, whatever they may be, to drop FSX-SE after their contract with MS had expired. It was a 5-year contract, and the decision to dump FSX-SE could have taken place at the same time as the decision to drop FSW. Edited August 12, 20196 yr by dilore P3D45, 8700K, RTX3080Ti, 32 GB, HDD 3 + 6 TB, SSD 0.5 TB Warthog HOTAS, Honeycomb Bravo, MFG pedals, Reverb G2
August 12, 20196 yr 1 hour ago, keithb77 said: The new sim, from a games developer without real sim history, will be much more focussed, and I expect lacking in some things that some of us will regard as essential Sorry, but you have absolutely no way of knowing this. Any outside development input (Asobo?), could be just for the graphics. i7-14700k | Asus ROG STRIX Z790-F Gaming WIFI | 32GB DDR5 RAM | MSI RTX 4080 Super | WD Black SN850X 1TB & 2TB | Corsair HX1000i ATX3.0 | MSI MAG401QR 40" monitor | Win 11 Pro 64-bit | Meta Quest 3
August 12, 20196 yr 2 hours ago, vortex681 said: Sorry, but you have absolutely no way of knowing this. Any outside development input (Asobo?), could be just for the graphics. From a member of the old Aces development team, as posted on a thread at FSDeveloper that pretty much confirms Asobo are the developer: " I'd love to know if any former ACES devs are involved. So far I can pretty much confirm that they are not. Most of us didnt even know about the project. I dont know if this was done specifically to exclude the old ACES team or if its just because the current dev team is located in France." But nothing is for sure... Cheers Keith ...
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