51 minutes ago, jymp said:

This telling us what they plan to plan to plan for the new sim is ridiculous, folks were expecting screenshots, maybe a video, tell us about features being worked on, but their big announcement is about bringing back a 10 + yr old sim ?, guessing like the above said they want to get control of FSX again to keep it out of the way of the new sim, speculation of course, hopefully they do better with the next update

They told us last time the update was going to be about FSX and now there is an update about FSX. Why all the indignation? Their agreement with Dovetail ended so it's not astonishing they did something about it.

Besides, the Insider Program starts next week and that's it seems when we will start getting more in-depth information on the new sim.

The insider program may come with NDAs even third party DEVs use them with Beta testers, break it and your out of the loop.

3 hours ago, rjfry said:

The fact is no one knows how many users are using FSX still as some still use the disc version and not the steam version.

Yep, I am one of those FSX user and play it regularly!

And to me it looks like that they want to drive double track! The new pimped FSX version is maybe an alternative for people who can not use the new simulator due to lack of hardware or internet requirements!

3 hours ago, MatthewS said:

They are not doing it out of the goodness of their heart, as I understand it they have the rights to use whatever improvements DoveTail made to the sim. Their ultimate motive is to maximise profit of FS2020 by reusing whatever code they can from FSX in FS2020.

I got a good laugh out of that one lol! That's not how programming works. You can't just dump code from a different game using a different engine to speed up work on a game that's using tech 14 years ahead. It would actually be easier and faster to do things from scratch on the new engine. Gotta love how you're speaking with with certainty lol.

Agreed, FSX is a 32bit program, Maybe I'm wrong, but MFS will be a 64bit program& we were told earlier on, that the new sim will use a new engine. 

5 hours ago, HighTowers said:

I didnt say FSX is dead.  Its just not mainstream.

 

5 hours ago, domkle said:

I am wondering whether they truly think that the market has any nostalgia for FSX and is grateful that they took it back ?

If so, they misread us completely. A majority (I think) of FSX users are now at version FS12 with Prepar3D. Others went the XP road. Nostalgia is zero.

I think that any flight sim (a very niche market) which has significantly more than 3000 concurrent players can consider itself to be mainstream. That's more than just nostalgia.

4 hours ago, Flamingpie said:

MS regained the control over FSX so they can kill it as soon as needed.

FSX exists in two versions, Steam and the boxed edition. Even if they pulled the plug on the Steam edition (highly unlikely IMHO), there are far more people using the boxed edition who would be completely unaffected.

2 hours ago, rjfry said:

The insider program may come with NDAs even third party DEVs use them with Beta testers, break it and your out of the loop.

But probably almost impossible to police unless the number of people in the Insider Program is very small. Even then it would be very difficult. It's not complicated to be anonymous online (and comment as such) if you want to be.

18 minutes ago, vortex681 said:

But probably almost impossible to police unless the number of people in the Insider Program is very small. Even then it would be very difficult. It's not complicated to be anonymous online (and comment as such) if you want to be.

Moreover, it would be a total dick move to put the insiders under an NDA. People, including me, have been yearning for concrete information about the sim for some time now and if they shared that information with just a select group of people and everyone outside of the insider program would be left in the dark it would certainly be, as I said, a dick move and it wouldn't do them any favors either in terms of marketing the sim and getting people interested. An NDA is highly unlikely for me.

I signed up for the insider program when the sim was first announced, but it seems that's not really what will get you into the program in the end. No idea what kind of requirements they have for people to actually be able to join the program.

 

I wonder if they’re going to grab all the development back from Lockheed and plow it into FSX 

1 hour ago, threegreen said:

Moreover, it would be a total dick move to put the insiders under an NDA. People, including me, have been yearning for concrete information about the sim for some time now and if they shared that information with just a select group of people and everyone outside of the insider program would be left in the dark it would certainly be, as I said, a dick move and it wouldn't do them any favors either in terms of marketing the sim and getting people interested. An NDA is highly unlikely for me.

I signed up for the insider program when the sim was first announced, but it seems that's not really what will get you into the program in the end. No idea what kind of requirements they have for people to actually be able to join the program.

 

I’ve been in a couple of insider type programmes for other games (a couple of notable racing sim/ games) and it’s been standard practice to promise not to talk about stuff publicly in the early stages - sensibly in my opinion, you don’t want your dirty bugs and issues paraded around the internet with wild abandon so early in development. However, and particularly in the last couple of years, it has been common that during the last 3-6 months they encourage a lot more sharing of information, screenshots and videos etc as part of the pr build up I guess. 

6 minutes ago, Superdelphinus said:

I wonder if they’re going to grab all the development back from Lockheed and plow it into FSX 

AS LM owns the intellectual property of ESP, the commercial version of FSX, nothing will happen.

AS, I'm no doubt you are aware, Microsoft licensed FSX to Dovetail, &, as that license period has come to an end, FSX, now FSX:SE, reverts back to Microsoft.

Nothing to do with Lockheed at all.

They own the ESP IP??

i definitely didn’t know that, thanks. I thought they’d just licensed it. 

MSFS2020 = FSXX  🤔

 

jime

No, he’s just resting 

It is true that FSX is still alive and well. I get, and very much appreciate the redemption thing, but the new sim with features exceeding FSX and the rest would suffice.

It would be interesting to see what MS does with FSX. Just fixing all the issues will generate a list and task of enormous proportions, including adding 64-bit. It has taken LM many years to accomplish many fixes, and LM removed real wx. P3D it still lacks a lot, like for example, correct airport layouts, which by itself is huge; just ask Jose from FSAerodata, he's been working on it. How about the size (scale) of autogen homes compared to a major roadway. How about turbo-props. There would be so much to do, that it becomes futile after all this time.

I still have to ponder: what would be the point of making FSX "awesome" when there is development of a new sim. FSX totally or vastly fixed could very well be a shadow over the new sim. Is the new sim going to be free, like Windows 10, MS Flight, FSW (for a vast majority)? Maybe the new sim will require a PC that most will not be able (or want) to afford yet, so FSX 2.0 will soften the blow?

In the end, as long as the new sim has lots of what all the wish-list's from the last 10 years has, and as long as working on FSX does not (but it would) hinder (time wise) the new sim...

Well we'll see, I remain hopeful that timely realism is not sacrificed for old times sake or anything else.