I agree with the oversized houses and trees. They are dreadful and give the user when flying the feeling that he/she is lower than he/she actually is. It also looks utterly silly especially when you see a house compared to a car or a runway. I do hope MS fixes the issue.

I checked out Page.  The houses weren't the same kind and most were two story, but the scale varied from exact to maybe 15% too big, comparing the third person view of the Avatar to the size of the doors.  Most of the buildings I saw floated a foot or so above the ground.

This has been my experience every time I've checked out buildings.

Now tell me why I'm seeing normal sized buildings and no one else is.  Or better yet, do it yourself and post screen shots.  I'd like to see the oversized buildings, and I'll have questions afterward.  Maybe we can track down why this is happening.  I'm only interested in stock scenery here.

Hook

5 minutes ago, LHookins said:

Now tell me why I'm seeing normal sized buildings and no one else is

You're not seeing normal sized buildings. Find me some single storey houses (anywhere in the world) correctly scaled, like in the Page AZ link above, and post your finding here. Good luck.

I already did that.

Since I can't research the problem because I don't have it, and you can't research it because you don't have the necessary skills, and you're refusing to post screen shots, can ANYONE post some screen shots taken from ground level near buildings so I can see the problem?  If I see "comically oversized buildings" I'll have some questions about settings and such, so make sure they are your own screen shots.

The best screen shots would be of the Avatar from third person view near a doorway.

What I saw was buildings that appeared because of complex autogen were perfectly scaled, while general autogen houses appeared to be *slightly* oversized, a maximum of maybe 15%.  All trees were in proper scale to the buildings.  

For example, barns, silos and a filling station were proper scale, and houses nearby were similar, obviously not oversized.

Hook

10 minutes ago, LHookins said:

I already did that.

Since I can't research the problem because I don't have it, and you can't research it because you don't have the necessary skills, and you're refusing to post screen shots, can ANYONE post some screen shots taken from ground level near buildings so I can see the problem?  If I see "comically oversized buildings" I'll have some questions about settings and such, so make sure they are your own screen shots.

The best screen shots would be of the Avatar from third person view near a doorway.

What I saw was buildings that appeared because of complex autogen were perfectly scaled, while general autogen houses appeared to be *slightly* oversized, a maximum of maybe 15%.  All trees were in proper scale to the buildings.  

For example, barns, silos and a filling station were proper scale, and houses nearby were similar, obviously not oversized.

Hook

 

Glad you agree that autogen houses are oversized.

BTW we are not talking about barns, silos or filing stations which are all 3d modelled library objects, and not the "autogen" we are talking about. Have a read of the SDK if you want to learn more.

The biggest issue for me is with the single storey dwelling autogen, as discussed above.

 

Edited August 29, 20196 yr by MatthewS

If you're calling 10% to 15% "comically oversized" then you've got a problem.  Especially since you can't even tell unless you get close and measure it.

I've tested it.  You haven't.  I'll take my personal experience every time over something posted by a chronic complainer.

You have a chance to prove me wrong.  You have a chance to force me to admit you're right.  I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to determine why you have not done this.

Hook

Ridiculous. Everybody knows they didn’t make the autogen too big. The autogen is the right size! They just made the world too small. Get your facts straight!

To avoid wasting your time and mine, you'll have to stage the screen shot carefully.  Taxi a small plane next to a house, then take a pic with the house and the plane at the same distance, house on one side, plane on the other.  

At this point it won't matter what zoom level you use.  If you have the plane in front of the house, even close to it, a high zoom level will make the house look larger than it is.  Same problem you encounter with a telephoto lens on a camera.

Good luck.

Hook

At this time I am happy with P3D, however, all this talk of a new MS Flight SIm brings back strong memeroies of visiting PC World on release day of a new version. Trying to explain the excitment I felt when hold the box is beyond my linguistic skills.

 

 

8 hours ago, MatthewS said:

Unfortunately I got banned for 2 days

I think you should call that an act of mercy on the part of the mods because you would have been roasted to a crisp that day.

50 minutes ago, LHookins said:

To avoid wasting your time and mine, you'll have to stage the screen shot carefully.

There are plenty of posts on AVSIM and other forums that discuss the oversized autogen problem (both buildings and trees), including a post I linked above. 

You have already conceded that autogen is oversized and I'm not wasting my time chasing your tail, sorry about that.

Let's hope MS get the autogen scaling right this time! Fingers crossed.

44 minutes ago, Krakin said:

I think you should call that an act of mercy on the part of the mods because you would have been roasted to a crisp that day.

"Who knows what's in a man's heart"

5 minutes ago, MatthewS said:

There are plenty of posts on AVSIM and other forums that discuss the oversized autogen problem (both buildings and trees), including a post I linked above. 

The post you linked above is totally useless as proof of anything.

Oversize autogen is one of those FSX myths that have propagated for a long time.  People read about it, believe it without actual tests, then spread it as gospel.  Basically, it's a rumor.  There are others.

I just looked at several hundred of my own screen shots and can find NO evidence of oversize autogen.  Occasionally I find autogen that looks a bit too small.  I take screen shots of my approaches and comparing airport buildings (that we know are correct scale) to nearby autogen houses there is no discernible difference in scale.  People are complaining bitterly about things they can't even see.

Prove it with screen shots or concede that I'm correct.

Hook

1 hour ago, LHookins said:

Prove it with screen shots or concede that I'm correct.

Like I said I'm not chasing your tail.

Since you're fond of take screenshots of your approaches post a couple here and we'll compare them to the real world using Google Maps. 

In anycase here's Half Moon Bay by Orbx... Notice how all the autogen houses are oversized and look like "warehouses".

 

And here's the same location in Google Earth, notice how there's not a warehouse sized house  in sight!

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.5359985,-122.5205277,520a,35y,142.42h,70.8t/data=!3m1!1e3

Edited August 29, 20196 yr by MatthewS
changed "warehouse" to "warehouse sized house"

I don't care what Orbx is doing.  I'm only interested in stock scenery.

Autogen will not match the real world in the type of buildings.  I already said that when I was describing Page in a post above.  Right now, I'm only interested in the scale of the buildings depicted.  You claim they're "comically oversized."  But you refuse to even attempt to prove it.  I have MEASURED a 10% to 15% oversize in SOME buildings, which isn't enough to see unless you're right against the building.

Hook