22 hours ago, dtrjones said:

Yeah you are probably right at the moment LOL. But it's clear the cloud infrastructure costs will be higher this time, how that transpires for the end user we'll have to wait and see.

You know what, for your sake, I hope they charge us a sub because you seem to really want it LOL

Not entirely sure why people are psychologically so hung up on subscriptions. 

Whether you pay £200 for P3D upfront,  or  £60 upfront and £10 a month for enhanced streaming (or whatever) for FS2020.... I mean really?  So what?

If we actually get what we are seeing, then fine by me for subs.  (even though they have said, it's not a subscription based sim)

3 hours ago, ErichB said:

Not entirely sure why people are psychologically so hung up on subscriptions. 

Whether you pay £200 for P3D upfront,  or  £60 upfront and £10 a month for enhanced streaming (or whatever) for FS2020.... I mean really?  So what?

If we actually get what we are seeing, then fine by me for subs.  (even though they have said, it's not a subscription based sim)

It's not just the cost, there are other considerations that come with it. The main one, is what happens if MS decides it's no longer interested in flight sims, like they've done before?

They shut down the servers and your entire investment in the sim, all those monthly fees and all the add-on aircraft you bought, all of that disappears overnight. Even if they're only streaming scenery and it's still flyable with basic landclass, you're now flying something that doesn't look good. Which is the reason you bought into the sim in the first place.

If Laminar disappeared today, I'd still have a sim I could fly, a hangar full of aircraft I've paid for that would still be flyable, and scenery that looks good enough to continue with the hobby. Same thing with P3D or FSX. The respective companies would have to remove any periodic "phone home" authentication, but I think that could be assumed. It would be completely different if one of the primary attractions of the sim is streamed content, and the servers go away.

P.S. I'm making a Devil's Advocate argument here. Personally, I'm not so heavily invested in flight sims either financially or emotionally that I couldn't find something else to fly and enjoy. If a new sim uses streamed content, or even a subscription, and if it was good enough to justify it (this is critical), I'd go for it.

We don't even know how their streaming system works so let's hold on for a sec.

11 minutes ago, Paraffin said:

It's not just the cost, there are other considerations that come with it. The main one, is what happens if MS decides it's no longer interested in flight sims, like they've done before?

They shut down the servers and your entire investment in the sim, all those monthly fees and all the add-on aircraft you bought, all of that disappears overnight. Even if they're only streaming scenery and it's still flyable with basic landclass, you're now flying something that doesn't look good. Which is the reason you bought into the sim in the first place

You have to conduct your own risk assessment on that issue.  But honestly, I think the chances are slim.  Yes, they've done it before.  So what.  It does not mean that it will happen again.  There is just no conceivable reason why they would. It's all scaremongering drama. 

Edited September 17, 20196 yr by ErichB

 

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It's all scaremongering drama. 

That's a little over the top, innit? All we're doing here is speculating on possibilities while we wait for more information from MS. 

33 minutes ago, Paraffin said:

 

That's a little over the top, innit? All we're doing here is speculating on possibilities while we wait for more information from MS. 

Yeah, bu'...you've dedicated a paragraph to the aftermath of a potential shutdown, innit.  That's like Simmy World Doomsday. The Sequel

Of course it could happen - and then we'll all cry floods of tears.  But, ya know.  There are worse things..  But the balance of probability, I would say, is strongly in our favour.

7 hours ago, Paraffin said:

 

That's a little over the top, innit? All we're doing here is speculating on possibilities while we wait for more information from MS. 

It gets tedious when people keep speculating on something that has already been dealt with. This is not a sub based sim. End of Story.

Other than the obvious amazing things we see with this next gen FS, I noticed it seems that the aerodrome beacon has a fade in effect instead of just on/off!  VERY NICE!  Although it may be wishful thinking that I see this and it was also at the end of stabilizing the stall/spin as well.

10 hours ago, carmined said:

Other than the obvious amazing things we see with this next gen FS, I noticed it seems that the aerodrome beacon has a fade in effect instead of just on/off!  VERY NICE!  Although it may be wishful thinking that I see this and it was also at the end of stabilizing the stall/spin as well.

Actually I don t really like it, it doesn't look "real" to me...

13 minutes ago, Noooch said:

Actually I don t really like it, it doesn't look "real" to me...

lol you can please all simmers some of the time and some simmers all the time, but you can't please all simmers all the time.

It looks real enough to me. S rotating beacon will go from dim to bright to dim due to the rotation. 

On 9/14/2019 at 9:16 AM, domkle said:

  ... there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns—the ones we don't know we don't know./.../ it is the latter category that tend to be the difficult ones.(Don Rumsfeld)

Quote of the century OMG lol