A question to illustrate my own lack of understanding in the field:When doing real world operations, will ATC give you directions that include the SID/STAR name? Say, for instance, you've created a flight plan that includes a planned approach, say the CSN.2 STAR through MGW into KIAD, when you are approaching, will it be mentioned (i.e. "Expect runway 1L via Cassanova 2 approach" or something like that)?I'm not an actual pilot, just a pretend one, so I'm curious.Also, should we also stop blaming Microsoft for the fact that third-party add-ons place a performance hit on the program? Or should MS being limiting the detail level or processor usage "just in case" you happen to want to install a PMDG airplane? Just wondering. ;)

>FS9 was a complete redesign of the approach and ATC system ->and frankly because of the lack of exploration and use of that>system by most posters on "hard core" sim sites - Microsoft>probably decided "They are not using the capability which>exists in FS9, why send a million dollars to make a major>change until they push the limits of that capability"Hello Reggie, I feel you may be absoulutely right! I only found out about the capabilities of FS9 ATC because of posts by yourself and Jim Vile. I am actually quite cross with myself that it took me so long to find out!.I have had a lot of fun recently with FS9 ATC clearing me for ILS approaches with transitions etc ....although today I did a flight to Salzburg (LOWS) expecting a ILS Rwy16 approach but I was only offered a Rwy 16 visual or NDB Rwy 16 approach.Now there is some very nice new LOWS scenery with an ILS Rwy 16 but ATC knows nothing about it! :-lolThe reason for my post Reggie is ...are there any tutorials on how I can fix this?p.s I also agree that scenery developers should fix the ATC as well as the airport. :-hah

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evp allows people to add their own phrases, for new airports, callsigns, etc. from around the world and upload it to the server so everyone can get the updates.Thanks for that info about the updates, do you have any videos showing the difference in version 4.2?

LOWS is a strange one.The XML code for the airport has the CAT III ILS/DME 16 ILS for the primary end of the runway - ident OES.However, the only approach for the airport is the NDB Rwy 16.Basically we will have to find the real approach plates for the airport - see if the proper waypoints already exist - and then write the approach.Let me take a look at the FSX beta tonight and see what it has.Most of Jim's work with people on writing XML code for new approaches has been on the AFCAD forum at www.projectai.com.

Now, if your statement was:"Flying SID/STAR in FS is a real pain because I have to enter the flight plan twice, once in my FMS, and again in the FS9 flight planner. The flight planner is really difficult to work with and hangs up occasionally while making a complex flight plan.It's also a real pain at many airports because I have to be responsible for planning and executing much of the descent"That is a valid complaint.Personally I use FSBuild because it will take a real world flight plan with SID/STAR information and convert / save it as a flight plan the FS9 flight planner can read and use.

Thamks for your help Reggie! :)If you need an info on the real approach plates let me know. :-beerchug

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FYI:Radar Contact V4.01 up has a utility that reads the APxxxx.bgl files and AFCAD .bgl files prioritizing them as indexed in scenery.cfg. This creates a runways/runway navaid database used by RC to sync your current scenery/AFCAD data to its database. This allows scenery and AFCAD upgrades to take effect with RC ATC. Just an advantage of a third party ATC here :) .I also wish, although I am an avid FSB user, that like an early FS2K2 planner, it had a similar flight planner database that was built from existing default and add-on scenery as opposed to relying on AIRAC/soon-to-be Navigraph sourced data for this information.The most important thing for me is to keep all in synch with scenery as it changes.

I tried RC3 and found the responses sounded too slow and less realistic (content of ATC was much improved, but the voicing itself sounded phoney with the concatenation involved. Why is it MS's ATC doesn't sound so concatenated? Seems if MS would have made JUST A FEW nice enhancements in the ATC it would have satisfied their DROVES of simmers who care about this area. 3y later, and . . . no changes to a big part of the sim. I think that's unfortunate!NoelHaven't tried RC4 or whatever it is at this point. Perhaps it's time to take another look.

FSX only has the NDB approach at LOWS - we will need a real approach plate so that we can write an ILS approach.

Roger that Reggie, can you send me an email to edetroit(at)gmail.comand I will send you the details. :)

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>Sorry, but not everyone agrees that ATC is more important>than the increased level of immersion FSX offers. That is only>your opinion, and believe me, you're in the minority.>>JamesJames, if what you are saying is true Microsoft should change it's slogan from 'As real as it gets' to 'As real as we decide 'real' is'?Just want to verify;) Andy 'Jammer' Simmons

Sigh... yet another "As real as it gets" remark. "As reals as it gets" does *not* mean the same thing as "exactly like real life." Isn't this obvious??

Yes, it is quite obvious that "As real as it gets" does *not* mean the same thing as "exactly like real life." Where on earth did you think I or anyone eles is ignorant enough to think otherwise?Let me try to explain why my statment "As real as we decide real is" is correct.Microsoft claims through its advertising that FS is 'As real as it gets'. I will surmize that the word 'real' in this statment means the same thing as, to use your words, (exactly like) 'real' (life). So we now have the statment:'As (exactly like) 'real' (life) as it gets'.Now let's referance the word 'it' in this statment to the subject of this thread, that being the ATC portion of FS. The easiest way to do this is to substitue the word 'it' with that subject, (ATC). So we have the statment:'As (exactly like) 'real' (life) as (ATC) gets'The word 'gets' in this statment is the same as (can be made), i.e. we can go no further.O.k. now what do we have? A statment from MS claiming the following:'As (exactly like) 'real' (life) as (ATC) (can be made)'.Does anyone here think this correctly interpruted statment is true. I personaly do not. Now everyone can compare the two statments and make up your own minds which one is correct:Microsofts claim:'As (exactly like real life) as (ATC)(can be made)' =Andy's claim:'As (exactly like real life) as (Microsoft) decide(d) (exactly like real life)(is). =Andy 'Jammer' Simmons.

You have far too much time on your hands. Go for a walk.

Seems to me on flightsim forums more people are asking about ATC improvements over multi-player.IMHO the FS ATC out of the box is pretty good for all the traffic we throw at it. With only a few big changes it would be perfect. Real traffic seperation, speed vectors, one way AFCAD taxiways, better runway crossing AI, improved getting off the active runway AI, improved traffic flow to active runways and crossing runway usage, a few more minor things and that's it. Start using multiple CPU cores and FS could handle serious AI traffic.http://www.cpavirtual.org/images/banners/MyNewCrapBanner.jpgEric Thornton - CX001 - http://www.virtualairline.org