44 minutes ago, Max50 said:

Please, find me all the DLC's that are priced as per the PMDG?

I have been through this before. What price are you prepared to pay for MSFS as it will have faaaaaaaaaar more features and performances than the PMDG?

 

To answer your question, the FSL 320 but this is not the issue. The dev are free to set up the price they want for whatever reasons  and we are free to buy or not to buy. There is no rippoff just a transaction they propose and that we can refuse. Having the PMDG 737 is, in no way, required to enjoy the simulator. There are always luxury things we cannot afford in life. I totally understand that one  can be unhappy to see something in a window that one can't afford.  Thats life. It happens to all of us, all the time.  But there is no vendor dishonesty as you assume.  

Also I am not alone to see that the PMDG and  FSL high prices should boost a competition good for us.

 We don't know much about FS20 and very little about their 748 and the Neo. I love to see what they've showed us, but the old man in me is cautious.  How much am I willing to pay for FS20 ? Goodness, I have not even thought of that .  I am not a PMDG word not allowed (I don't own a PMDG), I just love top-tier aircraft (I buy few of them and fly them each for a long time) and am ready to pay for them on top of the new sim price if needed. If FS20 brings them free so much the better but as the Americans say, there is no such thing as a free lunch. So true. Also what comes cheap is not worth more, generally speaking.  

Words have a weight. Calling a rippof or greed or any bad names what is, for you, an unsavoury business practise that you are free to refuse is not the way to go. . Vote with your wallet, say that the price is excessive for you. Calling names brings bad vibes

Edited November 15, 20196 yr by domkle

42 minutes ago, Max50 said:

What price are you prepared to pay for MSFS as it will have faaaaaaaaaar more features and performances than the PMDG?

You're comparing apples and oranges. MSFS is a whole simulator being developed by a huge amount of people working on it and published by one of the biggest companies in the world. PMDG are a small developer studio will limited resources and produce aircraft addons. They are subject to entirely different markets and pricing policies and operate under vastly different conditions. Comparing the price tag of MSFS, whatever that will be, with PMDG's doesn't work at all.

1 hour ago, domkle said:

Words have a weight. Calling a rippof or greed or any bad names what is, for you, an unsavoury business practise that you are free to refuse is not the way to go. . Vote with your wallet, say that the price is excessive for you. Calling names brings bad vibes

I can afford the PMDG. It does not make the price right or fair.

To answer my question you pulled out another flight sim add-on. There must be thousands of add-ons for games on Steam. You cannot find me a handful that are similarly priced to the PMDG? This in no way makes you see a reason to question the pricing of the PMDG as being possibly excessive?

I'd still be fascinated to know what you would consider a fair price for MSFS if the PMDG isn't a ripp-off? If you compare the PMDG to MSFS, MSFS should sell for at least 20 times the price shouldn't it?

I simply call some things stupidity and/or vein.

Edited November 15, 20196 yr by Skywatcher
REMOVED EXCESSIVE QUOTE!!! Please stop quoting the entire post you are replying to!

9 minutes ago, threegreen said:

You're comparing apples and oranges. MSFS is a whole simulator being developed by a huge amount of people working on it and published by one of the biggest companies in the world. PMDG are a small developer studio will limited resources and produce aircraft addons. They are subject to entirely different markets and pricing policies and operate under vastly different conditions. Comparing the price tag of MSFS, whatever that will be, with PMDG's doesn't work at all.

I've compared it to an add-on for a game which is precisely what it is. There are at least thousands, likely tens of thousands of other DLC's made by large developers, small developers and everything in between you can compare the PMDG price too.

5 minutes ago, Max50 said:

There are at least thousands, likely tens of thousands of other DLC's made by large developers, small developers and everything in between you can compare the PMDG price too.

Many of those DLCs won't take as much effort as a good, study level aircraft addon, though. Moreover, flight simulation really isn't comparable to DLC markets for games like CoD, for example. If you take years to develop an addon for a niche market it won't generate revenue like a DLC for CoD.

35 minutes ago, threegreen said:

Many of those DLCs won't take as much effort as a good, study level aircraft addon, though. Moreover, flight simulation really isn't comparable to DLC markets for games like CoD, for example. If you take years to develop an addon for a niche market it won't generate revenue like a DLC for CoD.

It's not going to take years, maybe 1 or maybe 2 unless it's not coming until 2025.

So you are saying because the market is not big, we must charge far more so we can make as much profit as those in a big market...hmmm...

 

21 minutes ago, Max50 said:

It's not going to take years, maybe 1 or maybe 2 unless it's not coming until 2025.

So you are saying because the market is not big, we must charge far more so we can make as much profit as those in a big market...hmmm...

A good aircraft addon does take several years to develop. I was talking about aircraft addons in general.

My point is that it's harder for a small firm with few units sold to pay the bills than for a larger firm that sells more units to a bigger market with more customers, so the small firm has to up the prices while the larger one can make profit at low prices. I don't know if 140$ is reasonable because I'm not PMDG and know neither their business nor whatever it takes to develop for MSFS, but your MSFS and DLC comparison doesn't work.

12 minutes ago, threegreen said:

A good aircraft addon does take several years to develop.

Yes, and they have already charged for this in previous years. The new add-on for $140 will take around 1-2 years.

15 minutes ago, threegreen said:

but your MSFS and DLC comparison doesn't work.

Of course it does, I explained it to you. All sorts of add-ons by all sizes of development teams are available for comparison on Steam.

Nothing you have said substantiates a wickedly extreme price for an add-on they will have completed in 1-2 years.

As I said, only in flight sims, train sims and kids games...

 

Mods, please finally close this.

It has become a purely political debate between a socialist and a liberal point of view.

This is leading nowhere.

I am an X-Plane user and seeing PMDG aircraft, they do look really great! Some of the best quality I have seen, and I think the prices (at the moment) are great, despite being rather high, but you are paying for the quality. But I just want to confirm something... With the NGXu being $100, why is the NG3 getting increased by $40 if its going to be the same aircraft of the same quality? Or have I misunderstood something? 

1 hour ago, Vryonix said:

I am an X-Plane user and seeing PMDG aircraft, they do look really great! Some of the best quality I have seen, and I think the prices (at the moment) are great, despite being rather high, but you are paying for the quality. But I just want to confirm something... With the NGXu being $100, why is the NG3 getting increased by $40 if its going to be the same aircraft of the same quality? Or have I misunderstood something? 

It's not the same model... There isn't possibility to move plane from other Sims to MSFS.

1 hour ago, Vryonix said:

I am an X-Plane user and seeing PMDG aircraft, they do look really great! Some of the best quality I have seen, and I think the prices (at the moment) are great, despite being rather high, but you are paying for the quality. But I just want to confirm something... With the NGXu being $100, why is the NG3 getting increased by $40 if its going to be the same aircraft of the same quality? Or have I misunderstood something? 

Hey Vryonix welcome

The PMDG owner explains it all in the thread below

https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-forum/general-discussion-news-and-announcements/73673-30jul20-pending-updates-update-and-pmdg-737ng3-for-microsoft-flight-simulator-first-look

 

Edited August 8, 20205 yr by Dominique_K

I don't own a PMDG and I'm not familiar with study-level tubeliners but I am curious about one thing.

What does PMDG have that other devs do not? They seem to be the kings of complex hyper-real addons (737NG, B747 etc) in the simming world. Are there any other devs that get close to them or even equal them? Leonardo (they make Mad Dog) for example?

How DOES PMDG create such a realistic rendition of a 737NG? With direct Boeing assistance from their pilots and engineers? Are some of their staff member 737/747 real world pilots with access to not just the actual aircraft but also to full motion simulators?  If that's the case it would explain how they are at the top of their game. I get the impression that they absolutely dominate the study-level scene (correct me if Im wrong).

If another dev/s could offer 737NGs & MAX at the same level as PMDG it would offer some much needed competition in the upcoming MSFS.

AFAIK PMDG has a partnership with Boeing. They tear the manual apart and then go further by simulating quirks not in the manuals, like a summer day in KPHX setting off false high temp alerts in the cargo hold or a change in fuel readings in banks and stuff.

Leonardo and FSLabs are the two closest "competitors". I can't say how close they get to PMDG level, but somewhere in the 90 percentile range for sure.

25 minutes ago, ThrottleUp said:

I don't own a PMDG and I'm not familiar with study-level tubeliners but I am curious about one thing.

What does PMDG have that other devs do not? They seem to be the kings of complex hyper-real addons (737NG, B747 etc) in the simming world. Are there any other devs that get close to them or even equal them? Leonardo (they make Mad Dog) for example?

How DOES PMDG create such a realistic rendition of a 737NG? With direct Boeing assistance from their pilots and engineers? Are some of their staff member 737/747 real world pilots with access to not just the actual aircraft but also to full motion simulators?  If that's the case it would explain how they are at the top of their game. I get the impression that they absolutely dominate the study-level scene (correct me if Im wrong).

If another dev/s could offer 737NGs & MAX at the same level as PMDG it would offer some much needed competition in the upcoming MSFS.

PMDG make the best rendition of the 737-777-747-748i You are correct. But they are only the king of that tree.

The best and overtaking PMDG for depth/immersion is the FSL A320, that with GSXv2 is on another level. imo there the king of moden airline flying by a good notch.

The very best "old" plane is Leonardo MadDog MD, nothing comes close to it in that class of aircraft. Its breathtakingly good.

The Majestic Dash Q400 is the best in class also like the MadDog by a country mile within the turbo prop class. It's the lightest hitting aircraft on FPS for the depth it brings.

If your after the best of the best the above is your list.

 

PMDG NG with come to MSFS and is called the NG3, it looks like it will come as an NG and they will bring out the MAX version as an addon on to it at some point. 

 

Edited August 8, 20205 yr by Nyxx