9 minutes ago, 2reds2whites said:

Call of Duty made $600 million within its first 3 days of release. Two months later it had made $1 billion.

Assuming that every single active member on the PMDG forum bought the product at full price, total revenue for PMDG would be $462,000.

By the time licenses from Boeing, taxes, salaries of staff are paid for - and having developed an astonishingly complex aircraft and systems simulator (I think some people lack comprehension of how complex those systems are) I'm not surprised for one second that $140 is the price.

Also, as simulators increase in complexity and visual fidelity, the price will naturally increase. 15 years ago, it was perfectly acceptable for a panel texture in the cockpit to be flat grey. That takes as long as it takes to select and click on the paint tool in MS Paint. Now we naturally wouldn't accept less than proper weathering, color variations, paint chips, wear etc etc. Just think how much longer that takes for a single panel.

Absolutely, but I could imagen they have some more customers than those who are registered on their forums..., but still, it's not comparable with a game like Call of Duty.

Edited August 8, 20205 yr by 737_800

11 minutes ago, Will Fly For Cheese said:

I know we've talked about it before but I wonder if Manfred's masterpiece C47/ DC-3 will ever make it in to mfs2020.

Man, I sure hope so!  I don't remember if I ever tried disabling the .dll files for P3Dv4, and I'm not sure how much in them is actually needed or used.  You may be sure that it will be the second aircraft I try to import to MSFS.

I'd preorder an A2A DC-3 with Captain of the Ship for any price up to $175 without a second thought.  At $200 I'd have to think about it for a minute or two.  At $250 I'd almost certainly buy it, but I'd wait for reviews in that case. 😄 

Edit:  And what's more, if they made it only for P3Dv4+, but not for MSFS, I'd toss MSFS in a heartbeat in order to fly it.  I'd still keep MSFS for scenic flights in lesser aircraft.

Hook

Edited August 8, 20205 yr by LHookins

16 minutes ago, LHookins said:

. . ."You may be sure that it will be the second aircraft I try to import to MSFS."

Hook

Well, that's a fully loaded statement if ever I read one. 😉

Go on then, what will be first?

For me? Harrier VTOL will be occupying my mind fully. If you get VTOL you get helicopters.

8 minutes ago, Will Fly For Cheese said:

what will be first?

Golden Age Simulations Super Stearman with my Cannibal Queen paint job. It only has one .dll that has something to do with sounds.  I want this particular aircraft to refly the route in Coonts' book "Cannibal Queen" over the MSFS scenery.  This will be the fourth time I've made this flight in the fourth flight sim. 🙂 

I've already done a bunch of modifications to the .xml files to implement the start of my own version of Accu-Engine.

Hook

2 hours ago, Nyxx said:

The best and overtaking PMDG for depth/immersion is the FSL A320, that with GSXv2 is on another level. imo there the king of moden airline flying by a good notch.

I wouldnt put the FSLABS ahead simply because they don't do the little things. For example, it doesn't matter how many onsecutive high speed RTOs I do, the brakes will still work.

On the PMDG I lose braking action once I melt the brakes, and I won't be stopping at all.

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Golden Age Simulations Super Stearman with my Cannibal Queen paint job. It only has one .dll that has something to do with sounds.  I want this particular aircraft to refly the route in Coonts' book "Cannibal Queen" over the MSFS scenery. 

Got that book ... very nice 🙂 and MSFS perfect to recreate it.

The first aircraft I try to import will be the Aerosoft K-21 glider, also a sound DLL but shouldn't be  a problem.
Would like to import the SSW F-84 to recreate Richard Bach's book, but SSW have a few DLLs so unlikely to succeed 😞

Back to PMDG - hope the DC6 isn't such a ridiculous price...only one I want.

Edited August 8, 20205 yr by keithb77

1 minute ago, keithb77 said:

Would like to import the SSW F-84 to recreate Richard Bach's book, but SSW have a few DLLs so unlikely to succeed

I thought about trying to recreate "Stranger to the Ground" but didn't want to go looking for an F-84 for one relatively short flight. 😄 Might have been difficult to recreate the same weather Bach had, too, which was a major part of the flight.

I didn't get very far in Cannibal Queen in P3Dv4.  I was beginning to suffer a bit of flight simulator burnout and made it as far as Niagara Falls.  I completed the fight in FSX and P3Dv2. Stopped flying in P3D a week later.  May have had something to do with the "MSFS effect."  

I'm expecting somewhat better scenery in MSFS which should keep me flying for a while. 🙂 

Hook

Fixed it for them:

Old version: 'new customers to NG3 will pay the full $139.99'

Corrected version: 'potential customers will see the price tag and decide not to pay $139.99'

On 11/9/2019 at 5:03 AM, rocketlaunch said:

To be fair, I spent more on dinner last night. It is all relative I guess. 

OMG ... you made me spill my coffee, laughing! ... it's all too true!

United001

2 hours ago, WestAir said:

I wouldnt put the FSLABS ahead simply because they don't do the little things. For example, it doesn't matter how many onsecutive high speed RTOs I do, the brakes will still work.

On the PMDG I lose braking action once I melt the brakes, and I won't be stopping at all.

Does that out way some of the "little things" that PMDG does not do?

The cockpit windows in a PMDG cannot open in the FSL not only do they open, the amount you open them the sounds increase and decrease as you open and close them. Also the sounds will come from the side your opening also.

Keeping an eye on the aircon that you must go over to the APU if its cold or to hot and how all the zones Copckpit/Cabin front and back temp change and work. Also having the cockpit windows open makes a big difference to the cockpit temps.

The Cockpit door being open is simulated in the amount of sound you here coming in from the cabin and also if you have the pax door open.

The integrated cabin, were all the sounds change and you hear all the cabin crew talk announcements etc. All the PAX making there normal noise.

Aircraft Icing, the looks and the effect it has on the airframe, it's not just for show at all. You can even see the different type of anti icing type used when applied by the colour.

The total integration of GSXv2 for refueling/baggage/etc. needed to use the right channel to talk to the ground crew. Confirming good engine start again not using any menus.

ATSU that brings to life the work the Captain and FO do to get the plane Off on time. Sending off PERF info and the messengers you receive. Even with the gate assignment when on route from your company. 

The incredible sounds inside the cockpit, totally different ones for the cabin and outside and the way engine noise changers as you climb.

All these things to name a few are far more day to day than a RTO.

If your stupid enough 😜 to leave the landing gear down to long your landing gear becomes INOP does the PMDG do that?

One of the hundreds of small things it does like you cannot just left click the fuel cut of switcher to start the engines you have to right click first to lift the lever and then left click to push it into place.

The list of little things is very long. 🙂

Never done or needed to do a RTO in over 500 flights but if that makes the PMDG better for you then sure I understand. We all like different things and different aircraft. 🙂

All these things will never come to the default A320 in MSFS because its taken close to 10 years work for FSL to do it. That's also why it comes at a price and if none of the above do anything for you then with some work am sure the default A320N will be fit well.

Same as the 748i default it looks great but will be nothing like the PMDG 747/8i the cost is small for the work that goes in all the high end aircraft we can buy. The Q400 is a gift of a price.But each to their own ofc.

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Still looking forward to the NG3 so much for MSFS. 

 

Edited August 8, 20205 yr by Nyxx

Paying more for 1 custom aircraft than the actual sim.. yeah think I'll pass. Was interested in maybe trying one of PMDG's products but wont be going anywhere near it at that price, absolute ripoff in my eyes. Few extra cosmetic details and some more functional buttons in the cockpit. I'll stick to the default aircraft, they look really good and have more than enough detail as it is.

Edited August 8, 20205 yr by AllRed

We desperately need a lower cost alternative to the PMDG 737 and 777 series aircraft.

Hopefully Ifly will come to the rescue soon.

Dave

4 minutes ago, AllRed said:

Paying more for 1 custom aircraft than the game... yeah think I'll pass. Was interested in maybe trying one of PMDG's products but wont be going anywhere near it at that price, absolute ripoff in my eyes. Few extra cosmetic details and some more functional buttons in the cockpit. I'll stick to the default aircraft, they look really good and have more than enough detail as it is.

I totally get what you're saying and understand fully. 

It's the difference and the breath MSFS will bring you can use it as you say as a "game" and at the other end people who want to use it as a simulator to get as close to the real aircrafts as possible, pilots in training use the FSL A320 as a tool to learn. It's the other end of your spectrum.

I am glad it will appeal to such a large spectrum of gamers and simmers alike, we all can enjoy it for what we want out of it. No one is wrong or right, each to their own. I see no reason to criticize anyone for enjoying it how they fill fit to enjoy it.

Wilco please came back with 737-300 in MSF-2020. 😁 I actually liked that plane regardless of other people's opinions about it. Pretty well priced it was too, if my memory agrees here.

22 minutes ago, AllRed said:

Was interested in maybe trying one of PMDG's products but wont be going anywhere near it at that price

Not a reflection on you, but you may not be ready for PMDG.  Heck, *I'm* not ready for PMDG!  If it looks like it costs too much, it probably isn't for you anyway.  The people it is made for will gladly pay those prices.

Me, I prefer a plane with a reasonable level of complexity, but not the extremes of system depth that PMDG goes to.

Hook