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737NGXu: FD still broken

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This is the 3rd time I buy this bird (FSX/P3D/P3D update) and the FD is still broken. I realy thought they would have looked into it, unfortunately nothing changed.

Besides the better look and sound, the NGXu is a slight dissapointment at this time to me. I hope the MSFS variant will be better (but I doubt they will fix it).

Gerald K. - Germany

AMD 7800x3D / ASUS ROG X670E-Gaming / ASUS Strix  RTX 3090 OC / 64 Gb RAM GSKILL.

"Flightstick" = X56 HOTAS RGB Logitech

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What is wrong with the FD?

Christopher Low

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D CPU / 64GB DDR5-6000 RAM / 12GB Nvidia RTX 4070 Super GPU / Gigabyte X870E Aorus Elite Wifi 7 / 1+2TB Samsung Evo Plus M2 Nvme

UK2000 Beta Tester

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If you fly a final APP by hand you will always get situations where the FD is fully centered but the diamond is offsetted a lot to the left or right. This is simply wrong!

Gerald K. - Germany

AMD 7800x3D / ASUS ROG X670E-Gaming / ASUS Strix  RTX 3090 OC / 64 Gb RAM GSKILL.

"Flightstick" = X56 HOTAS RGB Logitech

Ah, you mean when using the HUD? I have never used the HUD, so I was not aware of that!

Christopher Low

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D CPU / 64GB DDR5-6000 RAM / 12GB Nvidia RTX 4070 Super GPU / Gigabyte X870E Aorus Elite Wifi 7 / 1+2TB Samsung Evo Plus M2 Nvme

UK2000 Beta Tester

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2 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

Ah, you mean when using the HUD? I have never used the HUD, so I was not aware of that!

No, not using the HUD! The FD is represented by the magenta "cross" on the PFD. Those 2 lines should tell you where to point the ACFT nose so that you fly on course.

During APP, if you have e.g. side wind, the FD should tell you to point the ACFT nose slightly into the wind so that you keep flying straight on the center line of the RWY!

A scenario where the FD is centered but the diamond (RWY center line) is offsetted is complete rubish because you obviously are not on the center of the RWY.

Gerald K. - Germany

AMD 7800x3D / ASUS ROG X670E-Gaming / ASUS Strix  RTX 3090 OC / 64 Gb RAM GSKILL.

"Flightstick" = X56 HOTAS RGB Logitech

4 hours ago, GEKtheReaper said:

This is the 3rd time I buy this bird (FSX/P3D/P3D update) and the FD is still broken. I realy thought they would have looked into it, unfortunately nothing changed.

Besides the better look and sound, the NGXu is a slight dissapointment at this time to me. I hope the MSFS variant will be better (but I doubt they will fix it).

Maybe you should submit a ticket a support ticket with PMDG or engage with them on their official support forum. I don't know if they even monitor these forums any more.

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Havn't check with your particular setting,  but "FD is centered but the diamond is offsetted" dosen't seems an absolute error for me?

Say you are little left to runawy 36(360), tracking 003 on the rejoin course, now the FD should be in center for a while.

I never chase FD for final adjust, and don't think it's even at good resolution for that job, so it's hard to tell, but my experience with PMDG's FD is generally fine.

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7 minutes ago, C2615 said:

Say you are little left to runawy 36(360), tracking 003 on the rejoin course, now the FD should be in center for a while.

Correct but after you join your final, the diamond MUST stay centered while the FD helps you point the aircraft nose into whatever direction to stay centered. The FD needs to compensate for the winds etc.

Do following:

1. Let AP intercept VOR LOC then the GS.

2. Just after interception of the GS, cover your monitor so that you see only your instruments (or cover your sight with pop up instruments).

3. Turn off ATHR and AP and fly the APPR manualy.

4. Make a video of your progress and share it with me (us).

 

 

Here my personal manual landing with the FSL A320: 

 

Gerald K. - Germany

AMD 7800x3D / ASUS ROG X670E-Gaming / ASUS Strix  RTX 3090 OC / 64 Gb RAM GSKILL.

"Flightstick" = X56 HOTAS RGB Logitech

I might be too leisure for doing this....

But didn't feel any problem, the FD is more sensitive than my dummy hand...

 

 

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1 hour ago, C2615 said:

But didn't feel any problem, the FD is more sensitive than my dummy hand...

Dear @C2615,

great piloting skills mate! Congrats! You are the only guy that actually tried the approach.

May I still comment your video?

You clearly see that your 737 "walses" towards the RWY. The diamond travels from side to side and I bet you already started to chase it without the FD telling you to do so. You will see e.g. at 2:33 a massive deflection from the RWY center and the vertical (roll bar) mostly dead center. Same goes for other time stamps.

Also please notice that short before minimums you switched to visual APPR with quick corrections and STILL overshoot the landing zone.

Gerald K. - Germany

AMD 7800x3D / ASUS ROG X670E-Gaming / ASUS Strix  RTX 3090 OC / 64 Gb RAM GSKILL.

"Flightstick" = X56 HOTAS RGB Logitech

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1 hour ago, BillS511 said:

Gerald could you post this issue here?

I did open a discussion thread years before with no answers from PMDG (maybe because it was already an old product at that time).

I thought the code has been revised with the NGXu, unfortunately it was not. I also talked to several other guys owning e.g. the 777 or 747 and the FD performing also bad.

I did open a ticket with other bugs and hope to get answers. I do not want to pay 3 times for the same SW under the hood of a shiny car. 

Gerald K. - Germany

AMD 7800x3D / ASUS ROG X670E-Gaming / ASUS Strix  RTX 3090 OC / 64 Gb RAM GSKILL.

"Flightstick" = X56 HOTAS RGB Logitech

5 minutes ago, GEKtheReaper said:

 

You clearly see that your 737 "walses" towards the RWY. The diamond travels from side to side and I bet you already started to chase it without the FD telling you to do so. You will see e.g. at 2:33 a massive deflection from the RWY center and the vertical (roll bar) mostly dead center. Same goes for other time stamps.

Maybe I need more comparison, I'll try 320 and iFly one if I have time...

But I did wiggle around in LvD 737 FFS like that too...

I can see where @GEKtheReaper is coming from. The roll mode on the FD is little touchy and flying blind and trusting solely on roll commands will cause you to correcting a tad late? With that said, I landed on the tarmac in one piece 🤣
Here is my try, with real wx (via Active Sky and MA real turbulence add-on)

 

 

EASA PPL SEPL + NQ / CB-IR in progress
MSFS24 | X-Plane 12 

 

12 minutes ago, SAS443 said:

I can see where @GEKtheReaper is coming from. The roll mode on the FD is little touchy and flying blind and trusting solely on roll commands will cause you to correcting a tad late? With that said, I landed on the tarmac in one piece 🤣
Here is my try, with real wx (via Active Sky and MA real turbulence add-on)

 

 

That’s impressive, Well done!!!!! Small corrections is all that is needed when flying an approach as you demonstrated.

what are you using as a yoke?

 Intel I7 12700KF / 32 GB Ram-3600mhz / Windows 11 - 64 bit / NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060TI / 32" Acer Monitor, Honeycomb alpha/bravo, CH rudder pedals, Tobii 5, Buttkicker, Logitech radio panel. 

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