19 minutes ago, n4gix said:

A Gamertag still has nothing specific to do with any "subscription" service.

Its the backdrop to the delivery platform, how moddable it ends up being and the mechanism by which they would/could charge a subscription if it is deemed good enough to do so.

For example, I'd be more inclined to believe they will decide to make msfs2020 online scenery free access, if they werent already charging msfs2020 alpha testers for something as absolutely simple as changing their username more than once.

That infrastructure isn't being built and tested simply because they thought it would be a fun thing to do on a Friday.

Edited February 19, 20206 yr by mSparks

2 hours ago, mSparks said:

It means to play the alpha do you need to install

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/xbox-beta/9mv0b5hzvk9z?activetab=pivot:overviewtab

and have a gamepass account

Oh for craps sake. You do not have to pay for a gamepass account to be a testor for MSFS.

Dude, just stop it. 

1 hour ago, mSparks said:

I'd be more inclined to believe they will decide to make msfs2020 online scenery free access, if they werent already charging msfs2020 alpha testers for something as absolutely simple as changing their username more than once.

I honestly had to restrain myself from exploding with laughter at that lol. This is just amazing lol

 

2 hours ago, mSparks said:

For example, I'd be more inclined to believe they will decide to make msfs2020 online scenery free access, if they werent already charging msfs2020 alpha testers for something as absolutely simple as changing their username more than once.

The charge for changing more than once applies to everyone, not just alpha testers, since this requires a live, paid employee to make the change. It's not a fully automated process.

Why can't you simply accept that I know what I'm writing about instead of being a constant nay sayer and wet blanket?

21 minutes ago, n4gix said:

applies to everyone

You mean PC users are not special. They do not get everything free anymore. 

Kinda the point.

Edited February 19, 20206 yr by mSparks

1 hour ago, n4gix said:

The charge for changing more than once applies to everyone, not just alpha testers, since this requires a live, paid employee to make the change. It's not a fully automated process.

It has more to do with discouraging abuse than anything else. If one could change it at will, it would be easy for people to act like jerks in games, especially if they impersonate someone else, and get away with it.

13 hours ago, mSparks said:

Only caveat it. Which is fine if all you want to do is argue minutiae and ignore the bigger picture. 

The fact that Microsoft's games don't require a paid subscription for multiplayer on PC is not "minutiae"!!!!  It is central to this entire conversation, considering MSFS is coming to PCs first, and Xbox at some unknown later date.

Will the eventual console version of MSFS require an Xbox Live Gold subscription?  I'd imagine at minimum the multiplayer mode will, yes - in keeping with any other Xbox console game that has multiplayer.

13 hours ago, mSparks said:

There was a rumour around the time MSFS2020 was announced that XBOX Live Gold option was going to disappear:

https://www.engadget.com/2019/04/05/microsoft-xbox-game-pass-ultimate-rumor/

That isn't at all what that link even says.  That link is about the rumours of the existence of "Game Pass Ultimate", which would up being accurate.  And all it did was optionally bundle Game Pass and Xbox Live gold into a single monthly subscription - something I already told you in my previous reply.

Why do I keep doing this.

2 hours ago, mSparks said:

You mean PC users are not special. They do not get everything free anymore. 

Kinda the point.

*plonk*

Look, you know better.  The argument is going to continue because that's the entire purpose of every one of their posts.  There is no fact, there is no relevance, there is no value to their posts.  They are quite simply a troublemaker.  They like being a troublemaker.  They like the fact that they cause a great deal of trouble and don't get called on the carpet for it.

9 hours ago, n4gix said:

Why can't you simply accept that I know what I'm writing about instead of being a constant nay sayer and wet blanket?

Because it's nothing personal. It's systematic. Pure hatred towards MSFS. That's all.

8 hours ago, Scottoest said:

The fact that Microsoft's games don't require a paid subscription for multiplayer on PC is not "minutiae"!!!!  It is central to this entire conversation,

I agree its central to why people would believe msfs2020 online scenery will be free.

Trouble for that idea is PC is not central to the plans of xbox studios or even microsoft.

Subscriptions on all platforms are.

8 hours ago, Scottoest said:

considering MSFS is coming to PCs first, and Xbox at some unknown later date.

So you dont think xbox pc beta will be the delivery mechanism they use for MSFS2020?

Seems a strange idea to me. Would love to know how you came to that conclusion

Edited February 20, 20206 yr by mSparks

19 hours ago, n4gix said:

So what? You are really working hard to find some reason to obfuscate things.

Feel free to delete this or move it to PM, but I'll point out that this statement is exactly why so many people were upset with his postings, and further upset that they were the ones told to shut up. I think I speak for a lot of people when I say that we're all for honest criticisms of any sim. But when intentional dishonesty is used to try to prop one sim up and bring what appears to be shaping up to be an objectively better sim down for no clear reason save perhaps sheer avarice (because I'm betting Austin doesn't care enough to pay the guy to take potshots at competing sims 😉 ), it gets obnoxious.

People unfamiliar with sims who read what he says might be influenced by the lies, and that's not OK, and it's also not OK that interesting topics get derailed by the dishonest trolling and then closed, while the actual cause of the problem never, at least that we can see, gets addressed, because the cause keeps happening in thread after thread.

 

Edited February 20, 20206 yr by eslader

16 hours ago, mSparks said:

You mean PC users... do not get everything free anymore.

What?

17 hours ago, eslader said:

 

Here's some information you "may not be aware of"

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019/09/the-new-ms-flight-simulator-taught-me-how-to-fly-an-actual-plane/

was 100% paid for dishonesty, which even they had to update to effectively acknowledge, didn't change the title though.

17 hours ago, eslader said:

an objectively better sim

An objectively better looking game sure. There are quite a few games and sims that look better than I use regularily.

If objectively better looking while flying illegally low over cities were as important as some make out, no one would be using FSX, let alone buying it today.

Personally, while fairly excited at yet another flight sim to add to my collection (pretty much own them all, except for that "worst flight sim ever" swiss001 reviewed), I think there is a reason commercial pilots are being mostly left out of the loop, so as an actual pilot not excited for it with the same blind faith in the likes of arstechnica as some.

 

10 hours ago, mSparks said:

I agree its central to why people would believe msfs2020 online scenery will be free.

Sigh

10 hours ago, mSparks said:

Trouble for that idea is PC is not central to the plans of xbox studios or even microsoft

I swear, it's like everything anyone says that doesn't comport with your vision of Microsoft's grand plan just slides off.  I'm not playing this endless moving target game any more.  There's ten foot trenches in the ground from dragging the goalposts around.

10 hours ago, mSparks said:

So you dont think xbox pc beta will be the delivery mechanism they use for MSFS2020?

...what? I'm sure the Windows Xbox app will be one of them, yes.  I expect Steam will be another.  Both have sweet FA to do with it coming to console, or if it will require a subscription.

But hey, I'm just an old coot who can remember the heady days of fall 2019, when you were still openly claiming that this was all a long-game bait and switch, and MSFS wouldn't even come to PC.