July 3, 20205 yr This might be an old video, but youtube's algorithm threw it at me . No gore, just plenty of cringe and sharp intake of breath.. This is why we can't have nice things.. Luckily the guy trying to stop the plane only received injuries rather than death, and the Cirrus damaged a hangar not another aircraft (or the Porsche!). Scary when he runs in front of the prop.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KpOg9Ci284 I was going to post it in the Aviation video section, but YT won't let me embed the video, hence the link.. Mark Robinson Part-time Ferroequinologist Author of FLIGHT: A near-future short story (ebook available on amazon) I made the baby cry - A2A Simulations L-049 Constellation Sky Simulations MD-11 V2.2 Pilot. The best "lite" MD-11 money can buy (well, it's not freeware!)
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July 3, 20205 yr Yup, saw that video a long time ago, but it still never ceases to amaze me how stupid the guys were. The list of things they do wrong is a long one: Nobody in the cockpit on the brakes and putting the mags on after the propper is clear, so presumably no call to the tower that they were cranking since nobody was in the seat, clearly no communication between the two people involved since the other guys falls off the wing, no chocks in place, no tie downs, no parking brake applied, pulling it through compression strokes with the magnetos on, swinging the prop with the magnetos switched on, throttle clearly set wide open. And of course, doing it all on camera so it gets youtubed for your stupidity to live on for all to see, and you cannot blag the insurance company about what happened either. Probably just as well they couldn't go fly the thing; who wants idiots like that in the circuit? Personally I don't like hand propping stuff, even RC models, I've done it, but it scares the cr@p out of me. Edited July 3, 20205 yr by Chock Alan Bradbury Check out my youtube flight sim videos: Here
July 3, 20205 yr Moderator The video was from one of the surveillance cameras. What "two people?" I only saw one person in the video clip, which would explain why the 'propper' had to run around the front in an attempt to get into the cockpit and set the brakes... ...which he had obviously forgotten to do before hand! Where all of the blood in the cockpit came from is a mystery begging for a clue. The most important question in my mind is why was the fellow hand propping to begin with? I sure as heck wouldn't want to go flying with dead batteries! Fr. Bill AOPA Member: 07141481 AARP Member: 3209010556 Avsim Board of Directors | Avsim Forums Moderator
July 3, 20205 yr Everything they could do wrong, they did! 2 hours ago, n4gix said: What "two people?" I only saw one person in the video clip You can see the second person fall off the aircraft at 0:08 (starboard side) and start to stand and look in horror at 0:12 - 0:13 near the hangar. 2 hours ago, n4gix said: I sure as heck wouldn't want to go flying with dead batteries! You can recharge the batteries from the alternator once the engine is running, but if I didn't know the cause of the batteries running flat, nor if it was an electrical short circuit, then like you I wouldn't want to go flying in it either! AMD Ryzen 5800X3D; MSI RTX 3080 Ti ; 32GB Corsair 3200 MHz; ASUS VG35VQ 35" (3440 x 1440) Fulcrum One yoke; Thrustmaster TCA Captain Pack Airbus edition; MFG Crosswind rudder pedals; miniCockpit FCU; CPFlight MCP 737; Logitech FIP x3; TrackIR MSFS; Fenix A320; A2A PA-24; HPG H145; PMDG 737-600; AIG; RealTraffic; PSXTraffic; FSiPanel; REX AccuSeason Adv; FSDT GSX Pro; FS2Crew RAAS Pro; FS-ATC Chatter
July 3, 20205 yr Moderator That was my main point. Not knowing the cause of the flat batteries. It could have been too long since the plane was started, a defective alternator, or even an open circuit. Or as you suggested, a short circuit! Yes, I finally saw the second person. Why he wasn't in the right seat with his feet on the brakes is yet another question. Fr. Bill AOPA Member: 07141481 AARP Member: 3209010556 Avsim Board of Directors | Avsim Forums Moderator
July 3, 20205 yr Author 6 hours ago, n4gix said: ..Where all of the blood in the cockpit came from is a mystery begging for a clue.. I ...think.. that the guy managed to get in the Cirrus and the impact with the hangar caused him to impact the cabin interior and panel... unless the spinning prop, by some minor miracle only just nicked part of his hand/arm without causing amputation, but the odds on that seem far worse than him being thrown forward after the plane impacted the hangar.. Mark Robinson Part-time Ferroequinologist Author of FLIGHT: A near-future short story (ebook available on amazon) I made the baby cry - A2A Simulations L-049 Constellation Sky Simulations MD-11 V2.2 Pilot. The best "lite" MD-11 money can buy (well, it's not freeware!)
July 3, 20205 yr Do not know whether to laugh at the stupidity of the pilot or cry at a plane getting damaged. John C. Specs: black box thingy with spinning fans, lights and a bunch of wires that go to screens with pretty colours and a keyboard with many keys. The black box thingy also has a push button activated coffee cup holder. John C.
July 4, 20205 yr Cirrus builds a lot of safety features into their aircraft, but, unfortunately, there is still no safety feature that completely prevents acts of utter stupidity. My computer: ABS Gladiator Gaming PC featuring an Intel 10700F CPU, EVGA CLC-240 AIO cooler (dead fans replaced with Noctua fans), Asus Tuf Gaming B460M Plus motherboard, 16GB DDR4-3000 RAM, 1 TB NVMe SSD, EVGA RTX3070 FTW3 video card, dead EVGA 750 watt power supply replaced with Antec 900 watt PSU.
July 4, 20205 yr Moderator 19 hours ago, HighBypass said: ...but the odds on that seem far worse than him being thrown forward after the plane impacted the hangar.. Ah, you are probably correct that this likely happened that way. The poor plane did strike the hangar quite hard! Fr. Bill AOPA Member: 07141481 AARP Member: 3209010556 Avsim Board of Directors | Avsim Forums Moderator
July 4, 20205 yr Author One wonders why the flight was going to take place - just for pleasure, or for business or some emergency which necessitates hand propping your plane to get somewhere? If it was for the first reason, then that would have been a definite no-go IMHO, the other two, "should" have been a no-go... Mark Robinson Part-time Ferroequinologist Author of FLIGHT: A near-future short story (ebook available on amazon) I made the baby cry - A2A Simulations L-049 Constellation Sky Simulations MD-11 V2.2 Pilot. The best "lite" MD-11 money can buy (well, it's not freeware!)
July 5, 20205 yr When I was first learning to fly (over 50 years ago!!) we were all actually taught how to hand swing a prop safely but it was emphasised that this must never be done unless there was a second person familiar with the controls, ideally a pilot, in the cockpit - not, as seems to be this case in that video, on the wing or was he in the cockpit and just threw himself out?! I only ever had to hand swing a prop on two aircraft. One was a lovely little single seater Luton Minor which was easy to swing and the engine started on the first attempt but the other was a Beagle Terrier which proved to be a devil to start. It belonged to a friend and together with another club member we had flown out to Inismore, an island on the west coast of Ireland. It was customary for a few planes from our airfield to fly out there on a weekend afternoon and wonder the mile or so into the only village for a bowl of excellent fresh mussels and some brown soda bread, washed down by pint or three (although the unfortunate designated pilot had to stick to lemonade!). On that trip I had drawn the short straw as the designated pilot and sat in the left seat for the flight home. Unfortunately however we found that the starter motor on the Terrier appeared to have packed in and, as there was no maintenance support available on the field, the only option to start the engine was to hand prop it. Although I was meant to be pilot on the homeward leg, we decided that it would be safer if I was the one swinging the prop as I was alcohol free so the owner of the plane sat in the left seat and did the needful with the switches. Although I had primed the engine before attempting to start it, I’m not sure if he also primed it again when he moved to the left seat and as a result flooded the engine as it took me about 30 attempts swinging the prop to start it. Furthermore the compression on the Gipsy Major, as might be expected, was far higher than that on the Luton Minor’s little 39HP engine and I was a pool of sweat with seriously aching shoulders by the time it eventually started. Thankfully that was the last time I ever had to hand swing a prop! Bill Edited July 5, 20205 yr by scianoir Grammar
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