Just now, fppilot said:

Have you shared this?  It is one of the issues I have faced and would like to overcome it.

@cwburnett and I have been spinning up a bit of a collaboration with two other folks.  I've been mostly focused on the 1000 (and hopefully eventually the 3000) while they're on the CJ4, but we've spent the past few days unifying our code on github and working out some build processes.  I don't know at the moment what the release status on the CJ4 is (he can answer that one more accurately), but yes, when ready this will definitely be shared with the community. 🙂

4 minutes ago, fppilot said:

Have you shared this?  It is one of the issues I have faced and would like to overcome it.

Soon. This is on the hit list for all the avionics, really, as well as the ability to properly use Load, Activate, VTF, etc in the Garmin stuff.

I am hoping to push something out the door this long weekend that at least adds some functions like this to the CJ4, while we continue working on further building out the FMS. I figure in a couple weeks we'll have a bigger update, but I will still try to post just the smaller update that allows direct-to.

Edit: yes, as @kaosfere said, we're getting our ducks in a row in terms of processes, workflows, etc. Plus he and another member of our rag-tag group are actual developers, so they are teaching me the ABCs, lol...

Edited September 4, 20205 yr by cwburnett

11 hours ago, sd_flyer said:

All you really need is six pack, charts, timer, instrument scan, instrument-cross check and instrument interpretation! MSFS fits this bill as is and right now!

Ask this to real-life and simulated pilots of aircraft like the B737NG, MD-82, B777, Airbuses, etc., and you'll see that not everyone thinks the same. Good... for you.

Cheers, Ed

1 minute ago, cwburnett said:

I am hoping to push something out the door this long weekend that at least adds some functions like this to the CJ4

Anything in the works for the GA twins other than the direct to?  Perhaps its my learning curve with the G1000 but I was unable yesterday to have it acquire the approach when switched from NAV to APR.  I had previously "loaded" the approach into the flight plan but did not later "activate" the approach other than the switch to APR.  Then as I wrote before, when I subsequently activated the approach it flew me back to the FAF.  But it then continued by flying my flight plan in reverse.  My flight plan into KSTP St Paul (MN) Downtown was from ALO to RST to LDASH, the IAF for RNAV 32.  I was nearing the FAF RULDE.  When I say flew the route backwards it took me back to LDASH then headed me to RST.  I stuck with it to observe what was happening and it passed RST and continued me toward ALO.  The active bracket annunciated on the flight plan screen was from LDASH to FOMRU.  I was in APR mode.  I requested a Direct To back to LDASH but had to enter it with the knobs.  When I activated the Direct To the G1000 extinguished the remainder of the flight plan.  Very frustrating.  


 

28 minutes ago, edpatino said:

Ask this to real-life and simulated pilots of aircraft like the B737NG, MD-82, B777, Airbuses, etc., and you'll see that not everyone thinks the same. Good... for you.

Cheers, Ed

I have lot of friends Ed who are airline pilots  (mostly captains), and we are all on the same page! Most of them still renewing their CFII/MEI, and fly small GA in their leisure time on regular basis.  

Also it's funny you mentioned MD-82 they are all retired by now in US! My friend used to fly them for American Airlines. Those are old school airplanes! By the way original Star Trek adopted computer voice first pioneered in MD-80!

42 minutes ago, fppilot said:

Anything in the works for the GA twins other than the direct to?  Perhaps its my learning curve with the G1000 but I was unable yesterday to have it acquire the approach when switched from NAV to APR.  I had previously "loaded" the approach into the flight plan but did not later "activate" the approach other than the switch to APR. 
 

I don't think the approaches are working much or at all... unless other sims have completely trained me wrong.  The RNAV stuff isn't there either (I think that's a known issue).  

It's been out two weeks for (word not allowed). Give it a rest!

2 minutes ago, kerosene31 said:

I don't think the approaches are working much or at all... unless other sims have completely trained me wrong.  The RNAV stuff isn't there either (I think that's a known issue).  

Thank you for the confirmation. Am very surprised some of these survived Alpha and Beta.  I am not slamming MSFS at all.  My initial point was that I am not planning to buy any addon aircraft until enough of these sim issues are fixed so that I can fly my planned circuit as I fly.  I do not believe I am alone in that respect. 

The IFR navigation kinda couples with the issues concerning live weather.  If it's IFR in Minneapolis on the day my schedule takes me there then that is what I wish to experience.  Yesterday iFR approach did not work and though the weather was accurate in ATIS, that weather was not even close to present in the flying environment.  So with MSFS it is my secondary sim at this point, with use for VFR with little or no weather and then mostly for sightseeing.  Not a dig.  Just recognition that it is not a fit for my simulation style at this point.  And that will absolutely postpone my add on purchases.  No question.  And I doubt I am alone.

7 hours ago, FAZZ3 said:

It really makes the other addon developers look lazy for not embracing the new and sticking to their legacy codebases and refusing the modern possibilities of optimization. 

Maybe its less to do with laziness and more like concern about the barrier of entry being lowered so much.

1 hour ago, fppilot said:

Perhaps its my learning curve with the G1000 but I was unable yesterday to have it acquire the approach when switched from NAV to APR.  I had previously "loaded" the approach into the flight plan but did not later "activate" the approach other than the switch to APR.  Then as I wrote before, when I subsequently activated the approach it flew me back to the FAF.

 

Hi Frank,

The RNAV implementation is quite limited at present, as you have discovered... however what I am quoting here, is actually correct behavior on the G1000.  Quite a number of pilots have been unpleasantly surprised by the aircraft turning around when they activated the approach (late) 😉

Try flying the approach again, and this time activate the approach well prior to the IAF.

The GS indicator should come alive, and here is where things get tricky.. if you are flying above 2500 Feet AGL, it may very well be at the bottom.. If that is the case, you have to manually descend to 2500 feet which should center the GS indicator.

At that point, you can activate APR mode.

This is a bug.. but the current implementation appears to assume that the glidepath does not extend above the intercept point, which is 2500 feet on your chart.  Hopefully this will get fixed (soon)..

3 minutes ago, Bert Pieke said:

Quite a number of pilots have been unpleasantly surprised by the aircraft turning around when they activated the approach (late) 😉

Thank you Bert.  What stunned me was that it continued to fly the route backwards and appeared it would take me clear back to St Louis.  I plan to try a few approaches later today to get through the learning curve on what you illustrate.

1 minute ago, fppilot said:

Thank you Bert.  What stunned me was that it continued to fly the route backwards and appeared it would take me clear back to St Louis.  I plan to try a few approaches later today to get through the learning curve on what you illustrate.

I understand, and clearly that is not correct. 🙂

16 minutes ago, kerosene31 said:

I don't think the approaches are working much or at all... unless other sims have completely trained me wrong.  The RNAV stuff isn't there either (I think that's a known issue).  

 

4 minutes ago, fppilot said:

Thank you for the confirmation. Am very surprised some of these survived Alpha and Beta.  I am not slamming MSFS at all.  My initial point was that I am not planning to buy any addon aircraft until enough of these sim issues are fixed so that I can fly my planned circuit as I fly.  I do not believe I am alone in that respect. 

I've found that if you build your flight plan, select the approach and load the approach right at the beginning, the approach will sequence correctly. My own personal process with the Garmin in sim is to NOT use the ACTIVATE feature at all, or if you do, you need to ACTIVATE prior to reaching the fix that precedes the initial approach fix. That said, I've tended towards LOC/ILS/VOR approaches versus the RNAV, but I have successfully flown RNAV and LPV approaches.

So, if your FAF is GRIFY and the waypoint before that is AUBRN, then activate the approach before reaching AUBRN. I haven't exhaustively tested this, but that has tended to work for me.

It isn't ideal by any means right now.

With respect to addons, though, these problems are not core sim problems per se - these are problems with these specific avionics that Asobo didn't finish before release, and 3PDs can build avionics that treat these things correctly within the SDK as of today.

8 minutes ago, Bert Pieke said:

Try flying the approach again, and this time activate the approach well prior to the IAF.

 

Whoops. Additional question per the quote above.  Does the G1000 not automatically sequence into an approach if it has been loaded? Loaded, not activated.  I put the approach into the flight plan and loaded it perhaps an hour out.  My experience with other Garmin GPS units is that once an approach is loaded they will sequence into the approach without a separate step by the pilot to activate.

Hard to explain but seem one can not have a Route and a procedure active at the same time. One or another. If there is a route programmed and a Procedure loaded, when activating the procedure at the last route waypoint, the AP will turn around and try to intercept the last route way point it seems? Clearly not correct. Can't get my head wrapped around it. Guy may make a fortune fixing these Garmins.

Edited September 4, 20205 yr by Adrian123