17 minutes ago, ShawnG said:

but my reading and sim education has been that “the Airbus way” is that the a/t is on from takeoff till the Retard throttle call out

Yep, I hear your point. More advanced aircraft, typically a lot of fly by wire types, use technology to engineer those issues out. You will find that some peeps will fly with and without automation to have a feel in case there is a malfunction. Even during recurrent sims you will face situations where the automation has to be turned off. Fore example, in the DC10, you could not use the AT when single engine. In the Gulfstream, I can turn it on single engine, but needs to be off on approach because it would not suffice and work well if I were to hit TO/GA. Even in an airbus, you have to get used to engine behavior and control in case you are faced with it. Here is a good situation that will kind of explain what I mean.

Back when I flew G3s, we also flew G5s, dual qual'd. The G3 has an AP, but does not have an AT system. At least ours did not. The G5 had both. I would routinely fly with different peeps as I was a check airman and training captain. You could always tell the peeps who had been flying the G5 more often than the 3. Their speeds would be all over the place and they would tend to get behind the jet until the rust wore off. They would always under or over shoot with power management because they were so used to the G5 AT. I would routinely tell them to take more G3 lines, which some people just hated flying the 3 after the 5. I enjoyed it because it kept my skills sharp. Even in the sim doing single engine work, you would see their sloppiness, well, I could.

In all of the jets I've flown, we used certain fuel flows for different things to assist with power management. We had fuel flow settings for approaches, different configurations and parts of the VFR traffic pattern. Just setting these fuel flows would get you close to the speed you were targeting during different phases of flight. If you never practice and get accustomed to aircraft behavior without automation, it shows.  

23 minutes ago, Steve Dra said:

Wow Rick we sure do go waaaaaay back when you mention SGA!   Lost touch with Eric over the years and not sure if he ever stayed in modeling, but I wish him well in whatever he's doing now.

Anyway....thanks for the kudos.  With the advent of PBR, we were finally able to paint metal as should have been painted...or not painted, as it were. Hehe.

The AA MD from Leonardo I painted was mine and Brian's 1st stab at metal and PBR.  We refined it a lot more when we hit PMDG's 747s....

This is the epitome of shine, and how'd she look after a full polish...the best part is that the reflections are real...not from an environmental map, and certainly not painted on.  We also introduced more subtle reflection and wear version...but seeing the sun glint off this when you're in flight panning around the plane took my breath away the 1st (and 2nd) time I saw it.

We can count on Brian (and possibly me collaborating) on a TFDI AA MD11 if she makes it to production.  I'm pretty sure he's taken a stab at the CLS model for AA....been a while since I've checked.

 

 

Simply stunning! I love that MD80 and your AA paints lol. The MD80 is my second favorite even though I never had the pleasure to fly it. I love sitting in the wind seat and watching her strut! That high speed low lift wing MD design was awesome. Now I need to sift through your paints and see whats new lol.

1 hour ago, Steve Dra said:

To me the saddest part of the whole DC-10 story in regards to the AA tragedy at O'hare (other than the tragic loss of life of course), was the way the public regarded the safety of the plane after that.

 

For me, the real tragedy was the Turkish Airlines flight 981 in which the remedy should have already been applied and by some oversight was not applied to that particular aircraft. It would have been more lightly loaded except for the fact that BEA were on another of their strikes which forced many stranded passengers to use this airline as a last-resort to get home. 

 

Just now, Jude Bradley said:

For me, the real tragedy was the Turkish Airlines flight 981 in which the remedy should have already been applied and by some oversight was not applied to that particular aircraft. It would have been more lightly loaded except for the fact that BEA were on another of their strikes which forced many stranded passengers to use this airline as a last-resort to get home. 

 

Yeah...there has rarely been a commercial aviation accident where if even one link in an unfortunate chain of events had not been present...the disaster would have never happened.

Eastern L1011 into the Florida swamps....had one of the 3 crew been looking out the window or monitoring the flight instruments....never would have happened.  Of course...sadly...a lot of these incidents lead to significant improvements to minimize the risk it it ever happening again, but again, sadly...it almost seems that ONE event of that type must happen before there is change.

Anyway....Let's not derail the thread too much more on this topic....I've already been bad enough on this and other non-topic postings here. 😞

 

Just now, Steve Dra said:

Anyway....Let's not derail the thread too much more on this topic....

I was just about to point that out.

On 9/26/2020 at 3:10 AM, Noooch said:

 

These improvements are impressive, but the A320 is still unflyable in short final after the 50ft call which makes manual landings impossible.

 

Glad it’s not just me... I’ve exclusively flown Boeing airliners in other sims, and I only started flying the A320 here because it’s what we have. But every time I’m on short final I feel like things go haywire and I lose control. Below 50 feet the airplane likes to take a left turn, so I add full right ailerons to counteract which usually does nothing until it’s too late. I then pull the throttle when it says “retard,” and the nose drops to the ground like a rock, so I pull back hard on the yoke to stop it from slamming into the ground, only to watch the nose bob up and down with no stability as I slam into the ground. I would consistently get 50-100 FPM landings in the 737 in XP and hit the markers almost every time. I can’t get anywhere near that with this A320.

Is this just a sim flight dynamics issue?

5 minutes ago, airlinejets said:

I was just about to point that out.

Even though this reply exasperates the issue....I feel I must reply if only to blame my blatant carrying-on in this matter to the fact I'm a former sailor....and if you know the lore of sailors...they love to tell "sea-stories"....which is one way of saying they like to carry on a conversation, regardless if it obtrusively drives the topic into the weeds. (I guess in my case it would be seaweeds! LOL) 🙂  

Edited September 27, 20205 yr by Steve Dra

5 minutes ago, FlyingInACessna said:

Glad it’s not just me... I’ve exclusively flown Boeing airliners in other sims, and I only started flying the A320 here because it’s what we have. But every time I’m on short final I feel like things go haywire and I lose control. Below 50 feet the airplane likes to take a left turn, so I add full right ailerons to counteract which usually does nothing until it’s too late. I then pull the throttle when it says “retard,” and the nose drops to the ground like a rock, so I pull back hard on the yoke to stop it from slamming into the ground, only to watch the nose bob up and down with no stability as I slam into the ground. I would consistently get 50-100 FPM landings in the 737 in XP and hit the markers almost every time. I can’t get anywhere near that with this A320.

Is this just a sim flight dynamics issue?

Same personal story, I only used the 737 Zibo in XP before where I could kiss almost every landing in the touchdown zone (I may have exaggerated this one), and switched to the A320 for the same reasons.

I just made a landing in Madeira to see if the bug is still there with Auto-Throttle engaged, and it is. I made a beautiful approach and nearly crashed on the runway.

I don't understand why there is so few of us with this bug, and looking at the fact this is the most complete airliner in the new sim, this is very frustrating 😞

14 minutes ago, Noooch said:

Same personal story, I only used the 737 Zibo in XP before where I could kiss almost every landing in the touchdown zone (I may have exaggerated this one), and switched to the A320 for the same reasons.

I just made a landing in Madeira to see if the bug is still there with Auto-Throttle engaged, and it is. I made a beautiful approach and nearly crashed on the runway.

I don't understand why there is so few of us with this bug, and looking at the fact this is the most complete airliner in the new sim, this is very frustrating 😞

That is a weird one. I've also never had this problem with A/T on.

51 minutes ago, FlyingInACessna said:

I would consistently get 50-100 FPM landings in the 737 in XP and hit the markers almost every time. I can’t get anywhere near that with this A320.

Is this just a sim flight dynamics issue?

I made a couple detailed post in other topics commenting on the ground effect and flight model. There is something going on in ground effect and something strange at rotate and lift off.

do You guys have the modern or legacy flight model enabled in settings?

37 minutes ago, ShawnG said:

do You guys have the modern or legacy flight model enabled in settings?

Modern

I can confirm that the a320 acts like it doesn’t want to fly on rotate and lift off.  It’s not trying to kill me on the landings tho.

4 hours ago, G550flyer said:

 

I find it odd that many others are not seeing this. Makes me wonder abut those liveries, but I had this from the very start before the liveries. The A320 rolls in the flare and the longitude will crash the sim when clicking the ATC responses after a while.

I've had it happen several times. No liveries is here.

On 9/26/2020 at 4:40 AM, Noooch said:

If you are talking about the last MSFS update, the problem is still there.

And on Youtube you will see only touchdowns with auto-throttle engaged.

Go and try to land without auto-throttle, you will see what a mess it is, this is an issue reported by many on the official forums, not just by me.

I'm late here, but just the act of having auto throttle enabled fixes the issue?