4 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

There is a review on youtube 

 

 

oh ... so its the ipad that lets you fly solo and remove the wheel spats.

Who'd have thought it.

That will teach me to ignore the documentation.

 

Oh boy! why did I buy it! I should have passed on it..

Any way it look like a neat package from a first glance. Visual close to Carenado but not at their level yet.

After 5 minutes of test bugs started to show up. Unfortunately  I can't report them as Iris website is under construction their support messaging system bounce messages back (nice!). Here are my buggy findings

1. Jabiru 160 with AP. Upon engaging  autopilot  aircraft  dives straight to the ground (even with ALT, VS, and HEADING set)
2. Jabiru 170 with "glass cockpit" autopilot works; however,  both knobs of Garmin G3X  responsible for altitude/heading/baro/course don't work. So I can't change heading, course or altimeter settings
3. Turing master in Jabiru 170 with Garmin G3X aka "glass cockpit" featuring sound of spinning gyro while there are no gyro instruments in a cockpit (attitude indicator, heading indicator, turn coordinator). I would imagine sound of fan for G3X instead

In addition there are no cockpit lights. Changing wooden, composite, or 3 blade prop do not affect FM (pretty options for nothing) Well it was a good try. At least stock light sports don't have any problem with AP when they features it..

5 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

Oh boy! why did I buy it! I should have passed on it...

Thank you very much for review! Seems some 3PD try to sell airplanes worse than default. This trend is very upsetting!

I have watched the You tube review of this aircraft, its okay, but there are plenty of in house aircraft that will do the same job. I will not buy it.

  

17 hours ago, ryanbatcund said:

Yeah I worked a lot of those JAB2's as ATC....then they traded out all of them for Archers hehe.  Honestly they are just too slow to sequence with from a controller side - but I bet they were great little trainers from the pilot side.

Kind of ironic really that you should say that. I don't doubt it is true in your experience from a controller standpoint to slot them in to a busy circuit with faster aeroplanes, but the Jabiru UL (which is the three-axis microlight version) apparently holds a few FAI speed records for average speed over closed circuit courses!

22 minutes ago, OSM said:

Thank you very much for review! Seems some 3PD try to sell airplanes worse than default. This trend is very upsetting!

I suspect this is more to do with the SDK (as we know) not exactly being in a current state where it makes things easy for developers. In spite of this, we can nevertheless observe which developers are at least trying a bit harder than others in the circumstances. Look at, for example, the payware Kitfox which has been available for a while, it being a very lacklustre effort, largely being a case of shoving a port-over into MSFS to get some of that early 'buy anything that's new' cash. In comparison to that, I think that the Iris Jabiru is a bit more of a worthy effort; one which does at least try to utilise what it can from the new MS sim.

I would tend to view such efforts from developers as a dipping their toes in learning process for them, and so I think we have to cut them at least a little bit of slack, just so long as their efforts look like at least they were trying fairly hard rather than just ramming a glorified port-over in there.

It is of course difficult to justify yet another tiny, slow, high-wing GA prop aeroplane purchase when we already have a lot of these by default, in addition to several payware aeroplanes which also fit into that description. Having said that, there are a lot of Jabirus used for ab-initio training, and this will at least give it some appeal to anyone who either is learning, or has learned on one of them.

In a wider sense, the propensity of simple prop aeroplanes with very little in the way of complex systems which are coming out from several developers, is serving to highlight a drawback with MSFS and its present either limited, or at least rather difficult potential to support anything fancier. We have seen a small payware jet trainer make it into the sim in spite of these difficulties, but even this is admittedly sold under the proviso that a more sophisticated version of it will be forthcoming when that is a practical proposition.

This is something Asobo and MS need to get on the case about in pretty short order. I'm sure they are working on doing so, not least with the cooperation of Aerosoft as we know, but as an increasingly pressing need, it would be nice to see something truly different in the sim which can show us that MSFS is more than a mere pretty picture. As it is, the fact that Carenado is perhaps the leading TPD for MSFS in terms of getting stuff to market, is something of an indictment.

Well, Carenado still the "king"! 😄

Lets wait for PA-44 Seminole

1 hour ago, sd_flyer said:

Oh boy! why did I buy it! I should have passed on it..

Any way it look like a neat package from a first glance. Visual close to Carenado but not at their level yet.

After 5 minutes of test bugs started to show up. Unfortunately  I can't report them as Iris website is under construction their support messaging system bounce messages back (nice!). Here are my buggy findings

1. Jabiru 160 with AP. Upon engaging  autopilot  aircraft  dives straight to the ground (even with ALT, VS, and HEADING set)
2. Jabiru 170 with "glass cockpit" autopilot works; however,  both knobs of Garmin G3X  responsible for altitude/heading/baro/course don't work. So I can't change heading, course or altimeter settings
3. Turing master in Jabiru 170 with Garmin G3X aka "glass cockpit" featuring sound of spinning gyro while there are no gyro instruments in a cockpit (attitude indicator, heading indicator, turn coordinator). I would imagine sound of fan for G3X instead

In addition there are no cockpit lights. Changing wooden, composite, or 3 blade prop do not affect FM (pretty options for nothing) Well it was a good try. At least stock light sports don't have any problem with AP when they features it..

That is unfortunate.

As I said earlier I never bother with autopilot in sims so was not in a position to check any of that.  If the website is down bug report it by email - [email protected] .

In terms of VFR the plane is great, one of the few that handles nicely and trims well under manual control, hopefully the autopilot bugs will get sorted quickly.

In terms of cockpit lights I do not think that is a bug, the standard jabiru AFAIK is not approved for night flight and does not have them. Whether they should have instead modelled a version with the optional equipment night certification is a different question.

  

52 minutes ago, Chock said:

  

In a wider sense, the propensity of simple prop aeroplanes with very little in the way of complex systems which are coming out from several developers, is serving to highlight a drawback with MSFS and its present either limited, or at least rather difficult potential to support anything fancier. We have seen a small payware jet trainer make it into the sim in spite of these difficulties, but even this is admittedly sold under the proviso that a more sophisticated version of it will be forthcoming when that is a practical proposition.

Very true, though this developer has sort of specialised in single engine prop trainers OR military fast jets (nothing in between)  pretty much from the start. They have never made a GA twin so it would have been odd if they suddenly came out with one  now.

Edited October 24, 20205 yr by Glenn Fitzpatrick

20 minutes ago, Chock said:

Kind of ironic really that you should say that ...

Actually SDK developing state the natural problem of the any new software and this is not a problem. But currently I am upset because some 3PD makes poor 3D modeling and texturing especially cockpits compare to the default.

Edited October 24, 20205 yr by OSM

24 minutes ago, OSM said:

Actually SDK developing state the natural problem of the any new software and this is not a problem.

It quite clearly is; several major developers have commented on it being so.

33 minutes ago, Chock said:

It quite clearly is; several major developers have commented on it being so.

I think what @OSM is trying to say is that a SDK of a new software being labelled "poor", "immature" is a natural phenomenon and not a new issue. This doesn't mean there's any inherent or genetic problem with the main product, but that the openings that you need to receive from and send data/code to the product is neither documented nor published at the moment. For example, Little Nav Map developer says:

• Little Navmap cannot read SID and STAR from MSFS. Documentation about MSFS format changes are needed in SDK.
• MSFS multiplayer and real-time AI cannot be displayed. Needs SDK updates or more documentation.
• Simulator weather cannot be shown for MSFS since SimConnect weather functions are deprecated and do not deliver data. Needs update or documentation in MSFS SDK

2 hours ago, sd_flyer said:

2. Jabiru 170 with "glass cockpit" autopilot works; however,  both knobs of Garmin G3X  responsible for altitude/heading/baro/course don't work. So I can't change heading, course or altimeter settings

Ok I had a quick look at this.

Apparently you are meant to change these settings with the little Iris ACMP panel by hitting AP, then pressing either alt or hdg in the mini panel until they flash and then turning the knob next to the AP button (rather than use the knobs on the main display).

I was able to get some settings to change that way but I suspect it is still not working as expected.   But as I said I am no expert on AP so it may have been me doing something dumb.

 

NOTE: I also had the autopilot off nose dive issue at one point but I think that may be the same issue cat is having with the PBM and more sim related rather than specific to this mod.

Edited October 24, 20205 yr by Glenn Fitzpatrick

32 minutes ago, EvidencePlz said:

 t a SDK of a new software being labelled "poor", "immature" is a natural phenomenon and not a new issue. This doesn't mean there's any inherent or genetic problem with the main product, but that the openings that you need to receive from and send data/code to the product is neither documented nor published at the moment.  

Actually I start to wonder if the less than perfect state of the default aircraft and the bugs induced by updates do not come from the fact that the internal SDK, Asobo's toolkit, is also incomplete and partially documented. When I read Kok or Randazzo about how they work with Asobo,  I have the feeling that their team help Asobo as much as Asobo helps them. Purely speculative thought.

I opened a ticket on Iris website about AP issues and knobs not working. I also noticed stutters that I don't have with others aircrafts.

For this who already have it.. Working Title and @kaosfere have a working Garmin 3X mod... check it out.

WT seems like it’s constantly fixing the Garmin shortcomings for @Asobo... hopefully they are realizing that and will bring them on staff.

C

2 hours ago, igorbischi said:

I opened a ticket on Iris website about AP issues and knobs not working. I also noticed stutters that I don't have with others aircrafts.

 

This is the instructions for the Jabiru AP ... however it may still be dodgy even doing it this way, not sure:

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AUTOPILOT MODE CONTROL PANEL (AMCP)

Available in the J160/J170 Option B panel, the AMCP provides pilot interaction with the autopilot on the aircraft. Regardless of the J160 or the J170, the functionality remains the same.
From Left to Right, the functions are as follows;
1. Autopilot Master pushbutton
a. Pressing the AP pushbutton engages roll and pitch hold. A subsequent press of the pushbutton will disengage the autopilot.
2. Multi-Function Knob
a. Scrolling the mousewheel over the knob in HDG adjust mode (flashing green light), will adjust the autopilot selected heading.
b. Scrolling the mousewheel over the knob in ALT adjust mode (flashing green light), will adjust the autopilot selected altitude.
c. Scrolling the mouse-wheel over the knob when ALT and HDG adjust modes are not engaged (static green light) will adjust the autopilot vertical speed hold mode.
d. Clicking the knob with the left mouse, will set the vertical speed hold to zero or level flight.
3. Heading Hold Mode
a. Press to engage heading hold mode. Press again to enter heading adjust mode. In heading adjust mode, use the multi-function knob to adjust selected autopilot heading.
4. Track Hold Mode – INOP
5. NAV Hold Mode
a. Press to engage NAV hold mode. Press again to disengage NAV hold mode.
6. Altitude Hold Mode
a. Press to engage altitude hold mode. Press again to enter altitude adjust mode. In altitude adjust mode, use the multi-function knob to adjust selected autopilot altitude (top of climb/bottom of descent).

Note:
If the multi-function knob is not used within 2 seconds of entering heading or altitude adjust mode, the system will revert to heading or altitude hold mode.

AMCP PRACTICAL EXAMPLES

Following a NAV route;
1. Press AP to engage Roll and Pitch Hold.
2. Press NAV to engage NAV lateral hold mode.

Climbing to 5,000 feet;
1. Press AP to engage Roll and Pitch Hold.
2. Press ALT to capture current altitude and engage altitude hold mode.
3. Press ALT again to engage altitude adjust mode.
4. Use the Multi-Function Knob to adjust the altitude value to 5,000ft.
5. When the altitude mode reverts to altitude hold mode (static green light), use the Multi-Function Knob to adjust your vertical speed component.
6. When at the selected altitude, the autopilot will cancel your climb and level off.

Turning to heading 090 degrees;
1. Press AP to engage Roll and Pitch Hold.
2. Press HDG to capture current heading and engage heading hold mode.
3. Press HDG again to engage heading adjust mode.
4. Use the Multi-Function Knob to adjust the heading value to 090 degrees.
5. The aircraft will commence the turn onto heading as soon as you begin to adjust the value.

 

 

Edited October 24, 20205 yr by Glenn Fitzpatrick