Seriously Asobo ?

It is impossible to use Live weather now since it always has thunderstorms and lightning since patch#3.

Fix it yesterday !

it has not for me.

Goodness, where?  I haven't seen or heard one strike in several weeks now.

58 minutes ago, Concorde79 said:

Seriously Asobo ?

It is impossible to use Live weather now since it always has thunderstorms and lightning since patch#3.

Fix it yesterday !

Interested in where you are when this happens now.  I was getting it at Augusta, Ga (KAGS) this morning.  There is an overcast, rain showers in the area but not thunderstorms, but with thunderstorms forecast for later today.   Beamed myself up to KESN, Easton, on the Maryland eastern shore.  Similar overcast.  Rain moving in from an hour west, and no thunder or lightening.  No thunderstorms forecast for here, just rain.  So will see what happens later.   I have a suspicion that its reacting to temperatures somehow.

I have not encountered any "clear skies" lightning, but I have encountered "scattered clouds" lightning, which is rather common in South Florida because of pop up thunder storms.

I think the main issue is that METAR's don't specify what cloud types, so the weather engine will load the appropriate cloud cover with the metar, but may not include thunderheads.  But again, in South Florida, you don't need huge thunderheads to have lightning.

I have noted that the frequency of the thunder and lightning has decreases some.  It is no longer like being on the set of Young Frankenstein.  

On a secondary note.  When did we wake up and suddenly become a community where the most minor of inconvenience is a source of histrionics and requires a 911 level of response?   It's a game, we are in the middle of a global pandemic.  If there ever there was a time for some perspective, now is the time to have it.  

I always had imagined that the sim community was primarily made up of adults, and not whining 8 years old on the verge of a temper tantrum in the cereal aisle because they can't have Crunch Berries.    I guess I was wrong.

Edited November 11, 20205 yr by wthomas33065

3 minutes ago, wthomas33065 said:

I have not encountered any "clear skies" lightning, but I have encountered "scattered clouds" lightning, which is rather common in South Florida because of pop up thunder storms.

I think the main issue is that METAR's don't specify what cloud types, so the weather engine will load the appropriate cloud cover with the metar, but may not include thunderheads.  But again, in South Florida, you don't need huge thunderheads to have lightning.

I have noted that the frequency of the thunder and lightning has decreases some.  It is no longer like being on the set of Young Frankenstein.  

It seems the Live WX engine cannot create cumulonimbus clouds you would see in an actual storm.  I think the storm preset might?  My thought is that if the weather engine cannot create the correct cloud environment for thunderstorms we should not even have lightning/thunder in the sim.  I have not yet tested the latest patch outside a quick 20 minute flight last night in clear WX but hope this issue has been fixed or at least greatly reduced!

Just took off from Noumea with live weather scattered clouds and was getting constant lightning and thunder. Had to switch back to custom weather.

Real weather says its raining but no thunder, yet with live weather always thunder and lightning.

 

7 minutes ago, fppilot said:

Interested in where you are when this happens now.  I was getting it at Augusta, Ga (KAGS) this morning.  There is an overcast, rain showers in the area but not thunderstorms, but with thunderstorms forecast for later today.   Beamed myself up to KESN, Easton, on the Maryland eastern shore.  Similar overcast.  Rain moving in from an hour west, and no thunder or lightening.  No thunderstorms forecast for here, just rain.  So will see what happens later.   I have a suspicion that its reacting to temperatures somehow.

There is no way of knowing exactly how the Live Weather system determines whether thunderstorms might exist or not. It is likely that the MeteoBlue forecast model contains data above and beyond the basic elements required to create in-game weather (temperature, pressure, wind, cloud cover and type etc.). One parameter that most computer forecast models contain for each grid point is CAPE, which stands for Convective Available Potential Energy. This is a single numeric value that is derived from surface temperature, moisture content of the air mass at the surface and aloft, and most importantly, the temperature lapse rate - the rate at which the air cools with altitude. The higher the CAPE value, the more likely thunderstorms will form. Generally if the CAPE is less than 400, thunderstorms are not likely, but at values of 1000 or more they are very possible. 

This morning the GFS computer model shows the CAPE parameter at KAGS is 393, but later today it is predicted to rise to 1200, which is a good indicator that storms will be in the area.

If the LiveWeather system has access to CAPE in the MeteoBlue model, that might explain why (previously) there were thunderstorms “everywhere”. Perhaps they were incorrectly assuming that any non-zero value for CAPE means thunderstorms, which is not actually the case. If that is what they were doing, perhaps they have set the CAPE threshold higher, but still not high enough.

This is pure speculation, since nobody can determine exactly what weather parameters exist in the MeteoBlue forecast model for any given location.

I think it's a case of having 'chance of lightning' in the weather forecast. IRL the chance of it really happening is slim, but in sim it seems to just turn it on.... because it can.

It is still crazy.  This morning, with no recorded lightening within 200+ miles, I was experiencing frequent lightening at KAGS in Augusta, GA.  Here much later in the day I am sitting on the tarmac with live weather.  Weather both from MSFS, and then separately from REX WF.  Representative weather from both.  Perceptibly better from REX WF, but MSFS is in there so to speak.  However zero thunder and lightening.  Here is the current Lightening.com image for the area.  No question thunderstorms are now in the area when this morning they were not.  Recorded lightening now within 20 miles vs the 200 miles earlier today.   But currently I am seeing a low overcast with intermittent rain, and no T with the RW effects.  i.e. no thunder and lightening.  Here is the current map.

I'm curious, since previously I tended toward canned weather, and have never ever purchased a realtime weather program other than REXX for fsx back when dinosaurs were still walking the earth.

Are there that many weather programs out there for other sims that are significantly better than MSFS current offering?

5 minutes ago, HiFlyer said:

Are there that many weather programs out there for other sims that are significantly better than MSFS current offering?

Yes.  Active Sky 16 and FS Global Real Weather.  Even a REX offering was better.  Heck, for several years I had good experience with the FSX default weather, until it was turned off.

6 minutes ago, fppilot said:

Yes.  Active Sky 16 and FS Global Real Weather.  Even a REX offering was better.  Heck, for several years I had good experience with the FSX default weather, until it was turned off.

Then this seems like an open opportunity for Rexx Weather Force 2020. How is that doing?

10 minutes ago, HiFlyer said:

Then this seems like an open opportunity for Rexx Weather Force 2020. How is that doing?

Reasonably well.  I have not experienced the sudden shifts in weather reported by a few users.  I had partially representative weather twice, then I read the documentation.  Duh!  I was "synthesizing" too early, accustomed to the way AS16 and FSGRW worked in FSX.   Since delaying the WF synthetization until MSFS is past the "Ready to Fly" prompt, all has been well.  I am still experiencing the thunder and lightening phenom.  It is obviously rooted in the sim itself.

Note that there is a free 'METAR Injector' weather mod Unreal Weather at https://unrealweather.blogspot.com/

I have not tried it - I still want to push Asobo to deliver what was promised before I spend any more $$$ - but I'd give that a try before spending money on REXX 2020.

Edited November 11, 20205 yr by marsman2020